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Title: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Dare on July 07, 2008, 06:09:07 PM
With the season half over now which driver
do you think will win the WDC?
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Steven Roy on July 07, 2008, 06:29:51 PM
I have voted for Lewis although no doubt like last season if he gets close Max will interfere.  I have spent the last five years telling people how good he would be and the last year telling people how good he is.  I think yesterday he proved he is the best in F1 by lapping every one of his championship rivals. 
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: SennaMan on July 07, 2008, 06:34:47 PM
I have voted for Lewis although no doubt like last season if he gets close Max will interfere.  I have spent the last five years telling people how good he would be and the last year telling people how good he is.  I think yesterday he proved he is the best in F1 by lapping every one of his championship rivals. 

yeah SR - the FIA do seem to spring into action whenever a driver or team start beating FERRARI. I have to agree with you that on talent LH will take it out but KR will take it to him and, as you suggest, the help of a FERRARI biased FIA cannot be discounted.
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Mitch14 on July 07, 2008, 06:44:16 PM
there is no doubt in my mind that raikkonen will take the title he has been robbed of at least another 3 wins .canada,france and britian
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: SennaMan on July 07, 2008, 07:02:39 PM
there is no doubt in my mind that raikkonen will take the title he has been robbed of at least another 3 wins .canada,france and britian

what do you actually mean by "robbed" Mitch?

was he actually going to win those races then?
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Mitch14 on July 07, 2008, 07:05:33 PM
of course he was. he would have pi**ed france if it hadn't been for the exhaust canada if hamilton the twat hadn't taken him out and britian if he changed his tyres
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Dare on July 07, 2008, 07:08:57 PM
of course he was. he would have pi**ed france if it hadn't been for the exhaust canada if hamilton the twat hadn't taken him out and britian if he changed his tyres


be nice Mitch
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Mitch14 on July 07, 2008, 07:11:16 PM
i know but im only stating the obvious
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: SennaMan on July 07, 2008, 07:50:45 PM
of course he was. he would have pi**ed france if it hadn't been for the exhaust canada if hamilton the twat hadn't taken him out and britian if he changed his tyres

as a popular song by trevor Whittaker used to go Mitch: "IF's an illusion".............

and so are your "obvious" assertions.

No way he would have beaten LH the other day and to suggest otherwise beggars belief and insults Lewis as well.

Hey and LH would have won Canada IF KR had not carelessly stopped in front of him!  :crazy:
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Mitch14 on July 07, 2008, 07:56:22 PM
'carelessly stopped in front of him', there was a red light if he had carried on he would have been disqualified, its hamilton's fault for not seeing the red light. also he was catching hamilton in britian at a second per lap, and was cost a win by not fueling up more and changing tyres
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Dare on July 07, 2008, 08:00:22 PM
'carelessly stopped in front of him', there was a red light if he had carried on he would have been disqualified, its hamilton's fault for not seeing the red light. also he was catching hamilton in britian at a second per lap, and was cost a win by not fueling up more and changing tyres

If Kimi could have kept [catching]up at a second a lap
you would have had to extended the race another 68
laps for Kimi to have caught him ;)
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Mitch14 on July 07, 2008, 08:04:45 PM
i meant before the pit stops dare and if he had changed tyres he would have overtaken him on the track
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Ian on July 07, 2008, 08:21:57 PM
Lewis's driving on Sunday was pure excellence, I have my doubts if even MS could have kept up with him, yes Neil, that came hard saying that, if Lewis can keep up that sort of performance he'llbreeze it.
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Mitch14 on July 07, 2008, 08:26:25 PM
but you have got to remember it dosen't rain every race
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Alianora La Canta on July 07, 2008, 08:36:02 PM
I think Raikkonen will win because his second halves of the season are generally stronger than his first halves. If he's equal first already, then there'll be no stopping him once everyone comes back from the summer break.
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Mitch14 on July 07, 2008, 08:39:37 PM
i agree as there are tracks he like belgium,italy,brazil and china
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: johnbull on July 07, 2008, 09:20:35 PM
I have voted Kimi because I still think he is the best all rounder at the moment, but in my heart of heart I would love Lewis to win.

Lewis was running away with Canada, and ran away with Silverstone. It's not really fair to underrate him the way Mitch is doing.

May I be so impertinent as to ask Mitch how old he is?
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Mitch14 on July 07, 2008, 09:24:12 PM
look at my name that should tell you
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Alianora La Canta on July 07, 2008, 09:25:03 PM
Yes, Mitch is indeed 8 years younger than me...
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Mitch14 on July 07, 2008, 09:27:41 PM
you know it
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Dare on July 07, 2008, 09:27:57 PM
I voted not sure.I thought Lewis had it locked
up last year and look what happened.

And every time Massa has a bad race he
seems to bounce back.So as of now I
have no idea at all

I just don't think BMW can keep up with
Ferrari and Merc the rest of the season
as much as I would like to see Kubica take
it all
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: cosworth151 on July 07, 2008, 11:43:21 PM
Kimi's biggest hurdle may just be that the Ferrari team of today is not the team it was in the Michael Schumacher - Ross Brawn era. I can't even imagine that team making the tactical bungles that this team made at Silverstone. It could just be that the juggernaut of the past decade and a half is falling to pieces.
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: cosworth151 on July 07, 2008, 11:55:15 PM
look at my name that should tell you

Does that make me 151 years old?
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Dare on July 08, 2008, 03:52:22 AM
Does anyone think it may be fallout from losing
Schumi,Brawn,and Todt and replacing them
with disorganised Italians?

As I recall that was one of the downfalls of
the Ferrari of rhe past
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: johnbull on July 08, 2008, 11:22:35 AM
I could almost see Ross Brawn chuckle to himself as he watched Kimi's first stop with no tyre change.

Ross decided on Heavy Rain tyres for Rubens a short while later. And the rest is history.

I can't remember which of Ferrari's multitude of Italian officials is regularly interviewed on Italian TV but his excuses all the time are so lame. He really should have been a lawyer. It's not Stefano Domenicali. He actually talks sense.
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: SennaMan on July 08, 2008, 11:27:52 AM
'carelessly stopped in front of him', there was a red light if he had carried on he would have been disqualified, its hamilton's fault for not seeing the red light. also he was catching hamilton in britian at a second per lap, and was cost a win by not fueling up more and changing tyres

yeah Mitch, I do know that! I was only winding ya up mate but I still say IF is an illusion.
 [with thanks to the song]
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Mitch14 on July 08, 2008, 03:33:37 PM
hey sennaman i apologise to you for being snappy i understand you were joking
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Mitch14 on July 08, 2008, 03:34:39 PM
hey cos i hope you are not 151 years old.
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Ian on July 08, 2008, 06:52:15 PM
He's not Mitch, he's just had a hard life and looks like it.  :DD
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Mitch14 on July 08, 2008, 06:54:31 PM
ive never seen him so i wouldn't know and i would have been shocked if he was 151 years old
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Scott on July 08, 2008, 06:59:30 PM
He's only 15.1, but a lousy typist.
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Mitch14 on July 08, 2008, 07:15:06 PM
i wouldn't say that he is lousy

you are probaly joking from the other jokes on here ive seen :good:
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: johnbull on July 08, 2008, 10:00:58 PM
He's only 15.1, but a lousy typist.

Is that his height, or waist measurement? (http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/2958/rofl2db3.gif)

Sorry Cos, I couldn't help that one.
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: John S on July 08, 2008, 10:09:43 PM
I think Kimi has a different sort of pressure this year and I am not sure he will cope. Kimi has not had a teamate on equal terms before, he is not the clear numero uno and as Ferrari are not running away in the constructors table they will want them both pushing on as hard as they can go.

My money is split between Lewis and Massa. Lewis was untouchable this weekend, Michael and Senna would love to have a drive like that to their name, so it has to be the drive of the decade at least. If he keeps this up he should be WDC but his luck and experience are both in need of a boost.

Felippe may not have the outright skill of Lewis and Kimi but his luck is in, how else do you explain 5 or so spins and still finish the race, and his experience is yielding results. Yep he could really do it  
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Dare on July 08, 2008, 10:14:32 PM
He's only 15.1, but a lousy typist.


It's the number of posts by Mitch in 10 minutes >:(
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: cosworth151 on July 08, 2008, 11:26:56 PM
Quote
Is that his height, or waist measurement?


I'm 6' 6" (about 2 meters) with a 40" waist.  ;)

151 was my prefered number on my race cars. I'll have to change back to my old pix.
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: SennaMan on July 11, 2008, 10:56:27 AM

"................ Lewis was untouchable this weekend, Michael and Senna would love to have a drive like that to their name,........."

A brilliant drive indeed John S and worthy of AS and MS's best who have at least one drive like that to their names and in the wet too.

Try ayrton's 1993 drive at Donington where he lapped all but one driver at least once. The driver who came second was adrift by 80 seconds and just escaped being lapped and the Spanish GP in 1996 when MS decimated the field was described by none other than the British great, stirling MOSS as:

""It was not a race. It was a demonstration of brilliance."
Stirling Moss about Schumacher at the 1996 Spanish GP

The way lewis effortlessly carved through the race at Silverstone and after telling his team if he drove any slower he would stop shows he is simply in the class of the two legends and at 22 or so and still improving is terrifying for the other teams.

So he should be WDC this year after being robbed of it in 2007 but, as John Bull and Steven Roy fear, don't discount the FERRARI and FIA duopoly rearing its menacing head again! 
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Ian on July 11, 2008, 11:32:06 AM
What a race that would be eh Sennaman. AS, MS, and LH in a real wet race. Who would win I wonder ?
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: SennaMan on July 11, 2008, 11:42:04 AM
What a race that would be eh Sennaman. AS, MS, and LH in a real wet race. Who would win I wonder ?

Hey ian that would be a fabulous treat mate.

Would the three of them have to be in the same make of cars, perhaps McLAREN or FERRARI?

Adjusted and set up to their individual preferences of course

Who would win?

I cannot help thinking after three races they would each have won one. 
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Chameleon on July 11, 2008, 12:41:45 PM
I voted for Another.  No one seems to be noticing but Another is having a brilliant season, always there at the finish and racking up the points quietly.  Okay, he has yet to win a race this year but he wouldn't be the first to be champion with fewer race wins.  Everyone has doubts about his car being able to keep up with the pace of development but the Whatsaname team have proved that they can improve steadily.  They may not make a fuss but prefer to produce the goods on the track.  Be prepared for some surprises as the season rolls on towards its conclusion.

It's a fair bet, after all.  Both Ferrari and McLaren have taken to shooting themselves and each other in the foot at every opportunity and they cannot get the hang of backing one driver over the other.  Whatsaname follow the same policy but their excellent team manager, Insertnamehere, makes sure that they maintain a healthy relationship.

Another may be a little behind the rest in the standings but the gap is not insurmountable - we are only halfway through the season, remember.  And now that he has overcome his problems, I think you will see him doing much better, including beating his team mate, Thatotherguy.

And anyway, I get tired of seeing the same old names at the top.  Kimi seems so bored that he really doesn't deserve to be champ, Lewis is having his learning year after his charmed first season and Massa is, well, Massa.  The smart money has to go on Thatotherguy but, if you want to live on the edge like me, place your bet on the outsider, Another.

Which should make it fairly obvious that I'm talking about Heidfeld.  ;)
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: SennaMan on July 11, 2008, 01:18:04 PM
I voted for Another..............[snip].................It's a fair bet, after all.  Both
Which should make it fairly obvious that I'm talking about Heidfeld.  ;)

Wow! A brilliant piece Cham and on the strength of it I delved into the website you list on the bottom of your post.

I shall be visiting it far more often too. It is a treasure of finely crafted prose set down in the most charming and engaging tone.

May I urge all those who love fine writing to visit the site. You will find Cham, as "Clive" on his blog "Gone Away",  has a gift for keeping you spellbound.

Thanks mate.
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Chameleon on July 11, 2008, 01:36:15 PM
Thanks for the kind words, SennaMan - much appreciated.

If any are interested, the link to my personal blog, Gone Away, is http://www.madtv.me.uk/goneaway.aspx.  I have been so busy over the last few months that I haven't updated it nearly as often as I should (also the reason for my rare and brief visits to this forum, unfortunately) but I am always determined to find the time to get back to it (and the forum).  One day it might even happen.  ;)
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: John S on July 11, 2008, 08:39:18 PM
I voted for Another.  No one seems to be noticing but Another is having a brilliant season, always there at the finish and racking up the points quietly. 

You could just as easily be referring to one Robert Kubica who, according to F1 live has the best stats of any driver out there this season.

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080711160802.shtml
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Dare on July 11, 2008, 11:15:57 PM
John it couldn't have been Kubica because I had
him listed,I didn't think Heidfeld had a chance and
probably shouldn't have listed Heikki either

I believe it's going to be a 3 way race between
Rom,Ian,and,oops wrong ;) race
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: John S on July 11, 2008, 11:32:54 PM
You're right Dare I don't think any BMW driver will be WDC this year, it was just a way to introduce the Kubica stats from F1 Live.

The crown will go to one of the big three, who are tied on points at the moment - but which one?  You pays your money and takes your choice!

Still it should go all the way, unlike the GG which Ian is sure to sew up 2 races from the end - I know sandbagging when I see it  8)

Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Dare on July 11, 2008, 11:36:43 PM
Ain't to sure about Ian winning it,I've been touting
you for the last 3 races

Last race was a little setback but were all going
to have one of them

Now if we can just get Rom,Ian,and Wiz to give
us a little help
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Ian on July 11, 2008, 11:38:40 PM
I wish John, I wish
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: John S on July 12, 2008, 12:09:09 AM


Last race was a little setback but were all going
to have one of them


A little setback, I had more spins than Massa at the last race and expect the Stewards to put points on my licence any day.

I blame Honda for my downfall, now who would expect my own team to knife me in the back like that.  :-[

I am going to draw lots blindfold from now on it's my only hope
Title: Re: Who will be 08 WDC
Post by: Alianora La Canta on July 12, 2008, 04:50:35 PM
My strategy for next race will be to pay attention to my computer, since it appears to be a better predictor than me...
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