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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: Dare on April 17, 2022, 02:58:29 PM
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/offbeat/miami-gp-faces-being-cancelled-as-residents-file-last-ditch-lawsuit/ar-AAWiuxr?li=BBnb7Kz
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Did Liberty really think that they could plop an F1 race in the middle of a high-priced neighborhood in the most litigious country in history and not get sued? That's another advantage to putting races at real race tracks.
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Looking under the table I think the race will
proceed.
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How many actual Miami residents actually follow F1 and want a race in their city?
I bet the number is pretty low.
It comes as no surprise they would put up a fight and I wonder who's palms were greased to get council approval in the 1st place.
It's always about the money.
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Did Liberty really think that they could plop an F1 race in the middle of a high-priced neighborhood in the most litigious country in history and not get sued? That's another advantage to putting races at real race tracks.
Remember when Spa was shut down because people who moved next to a racetrack were annoyed there was racing at said track?
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/noise-row-temporarily-closes-spa-4433001/4433001/ (https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/noise-row-temporarily-closes-spa-4433001/4433001/)
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Lucky for the Miami residents the F1 cars are much quieter now than in the old V8/10/12 days. ;) They'd really have summat to complain about with the old time noise monsters. :D
I thought they'd taken the race into the confines of the Stadium grounds and surrounding car parks precisely to get city approval. :confused:
Not sure the race days will cause much more noise than the Stadium does normally when its packed to the gunwales for matches.
Mind you there's always people who feel they have a right to object to others having fun, even if it's just for a few days. :(
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Pretty sure Liberty did what they and their predecesors usually do - assume the organisers would sort out all known and potential problems as and when they arose. The organiser did a very bad job here, because they knew most of the people in this area were against the idea before they proposed it (basically, a lot of people in that district rely on public transport, so tying the streets up in a motor race for 3 days significantly reduces locally-orientated retail traffic and cuts off a bunch of people from the rest of Miami). They're also resentful about the stadium, which many regard as having gone through despite their protests (unlike the Spa example, many of the protestors here are the exact same people - or descendents of the same people - who opposed the stadium being built in the first place, and have continued to protest the stadium since - including getting a game involving Manchester United due to play at the stadium cancelled last year).
Historically their voices have been less heard than those of other areas, which is why the council opted to park the race there after their first 2 attempts were protested and defunded (forget which way round it was, but I'm pretty sure those reasons lost 1 Miami proposal each). Essentially, the city approval improvement was not entirely founded on the infrastructure or regular noise levels (both of which would legitimately improve the area's suitability for a F1 race), but also on hoping residents would be less effective at stopping the proposal. This appears to be backfiring.
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When I was a kid many many years ago I lived within
walking distance where the State Fair was held,
baseball and football games were held, and late model
stocks car raced every Friday and Saturday night. I never
heard anyone complain then. People need to chill a bit.
Two many's are enough John don't add any more please.
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I used to be the race director for Friday night and Sunday afternoon R/C races back in the 80's. We had a cheap PA system ( mostly Radio Shack) that I thought was marginal for volume but the people in houses over a block away complained and we got disturbing the peace warnings from the cops more than once. >:D
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It seems Miami race for this year now has the green light. Next year may be a different matter.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/judge-clears-the-final-legal-roadblock-for-the-miami-grand-prix/
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According to PitPass.com General Admission tickets are $300 for Friday and $900 for Saturday or Sunday. F1 is certainly pricing me out of the market.
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$900! for two days?
Then you can shell out for $20 beer and overpriced crappy food.
MMMMM sign me up.
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And that just gets you in the gate, no seating included. I think parking is extra, too. Looks like they will be the equal of Monaco in one respect $$$$.
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A big problem for me with such prices is that it makes it impossible to bring the whole family. For myself I could still afford that as a one off expense. But bringing my two kids as well is impossible (even if they get half price tickets?). You risk losing a generation, although maybe that's why they've become all social media friendly. Maybe in the future weekends will be a set of ultra short sprints to fit into Tik-Tok! :D
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$900! for two days?
Then you can shell out for $20 beer and overpriced crappy food.
MMMMM sign me up.
I think it's $900 each.
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https://f1destinations.com/miami-grand-prix-tickets/
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So it's 900 for all three days, still out of my price range.
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The British GP 3 day ticket this year with grandstand seat ranges from £330 to £670 depending on the location of seat. That's not for hospitality package, they come in much higher.
$855 is cheapest Miami grandstand seat ranging up to $2380 for highest.
Cheapest Silverstone grandstand is £330, convert to dollars at about $425 and we see Miami prices are really high at double that, even more for top seats. :swoon:
I guess it's because grandstand space is more limited in Miami, they're only showing 12 grandstands on booking site - and all cheap seats sold out - anyone got $2k spare? :D
Silverstone has 26 grandstands plus 3 or 4 exclusive ones, probably more than most F1 tracks - oh and all British GP grandstand seats sold out for this year about 2 months ago.
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Insane. If F1 ran entire day activities instead of just shutting down the track right after FP2 (Friday) and Q (Saturday), I would re-evaluate. But unless I got a full 3 days of non-stop action (maybe even party or concerts in the evenings), there is no way would I pay $900 for an F1 weekend grandstand seat.
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I think that $900 just gets you in the gate, a grandstand seat is extra. If it helps, the race's website offers a plan to make time payments on the tickets. :swoon:
In any case, I don't think hyper-priced tickets are going to help F1's popularity here in the States. To give you all something to compare it to, Mid Ohio Sports Car Course offers a season pass. Five 3 day weekends (IMSA, IndyCar, NASCAR, Vintage race cars and AMA vintage motorcycles), with parking, grandstand seating and other benefits all included, for $342.
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And that just gets you in the gate, no seating included. I think parking is extra, too. Looks like they will be the equal of Monaco in one respect $$$$.
Put it this way: the most expensive raceday grandstand seat at Monaco is €1430. 3-day tickets in the grandstands (note these have to be purchased on a per-day basis, which helps if you want a variety of views across the weekend) start at €770. General admission for the better area (Monaco has two grades of general admission, depending on how close you want to be to the track) is €320 for three days (downside: they sell out fast because that area's only on the outside of Tabac!). Note that Thursday at Monaco (with its support races) is now free with a purchase of a valid paid ticket for at least 1 day of the weekend, because there's no F1.
3 days in Miami on general admission is €833.33. You can literally get a full 4-day weekend in a cheap grandstand at Monaco for the price of Miami general admission. (Note that parking is not included for either option, but Monaco's public transport system is excellent).
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Miami Grand Prix Managing Partner Tom Garfinkel's explanation for exorbitant ticket prices is to offer higher service standards to all attendees.
Seems free bathroom facilities come at a high price in Miami. :D
Below he is quoted from a press breifing at the venue this week by Racingnews365.com.
Why has ticket supply been kept low?
The Miami event has taken a unique approach to how to hold a Grand Prix weekend by curtailing the number of tickets available to fans.
Ostensibly, this has been with the aim of ensuring services and infrastructure aren't overwhelmed during the inaugural weekend, but has had the side-effect of ensuring sky-high ticket pricing.
"We deliberately kept the ticket count lower than the demand," Garfinkel explained.
"I think it was really about trying to make sure we could get everybody in and out of here easily.
"Concessions, bathrooms... I want everybody have a great experience. I don't want them to be stuck in traffic for three hours, waiting in line and concessions for 20 minutes.
"I want them to come, say it was a great event, 'I got in and out easily. I didn't have to wait in line at the bathroom, everything was clean. I was happy'.
"We're going to start there, and we'll grow from there. I definitely expect this to grow in the future. But we'll do it as we feel we can continue to provide that kind of experience for people and continue to grow."
Extract from longer article Courtesy Thomas Maher & Dieter Rencken, Racingnews.com, 5th May 22.
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Did he say that before or after the TV coverage of FP1 & 2 showed all of those acres of nearly empty stands? Surely people who can afford those astronomical ticket prices can get Friday off. ;)
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Public toilets cost 1.- in Switzerland
(and some are pretty wild) https://youtu.be/g3Y6DGPq5Xc
(there’s another one in Zurich with one way glass - from inside looking out…makes most people too nervous to pee)
so unless you get free food and souvenirs at those concessions, it’s still not worth 900.-
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(there’s another one in Zurich with one way glass - from inside looking out…makes most people too nervous to pee)
Went to some toilets in a park in Brussels where toilet doors were basically one-way mirrors. Except that some prankster (I assume!) had put them in the wrong way round. So you were sitting there not seeing out, but everyone else could see in :D :D
Didn't stop people using the loo - I am sure some people weren't aware the mirrors were inside out.
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The Hungarian Grand Prix manages to offer free toilets with short queues (and free water!), even to its £80 3-day-general-admissions crew.
I suspect the short and contentious timeframe between permission and event may have hampered recruitment. No point having free toilets if they are unusuably dirty or clogged, and the locals might be disinclined to work there if they have a choice given they thought this event should never have happened...