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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: J.Clark on February 22, 2016, 05:43:26 PM
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I was a bit surprised to not see anything about the testing that began today.
The time sheet is not worth too much at this point, granted, but it does tell us a few things I believe.
1. Vettel Ferrari 69 laps 1m 24.939
2. Hamilton Mercedes 155 laps m 25.409
3. Ricciardo Red Bull 86 laps 1m 26.044
4. Bottas Williams 80 laps 1m 26.091
5. Celis Force India 57 laps 1m 26.298
6. Button McLaren 83 laps 1m 26.735
7. Sainz Toro Rosso 55 laps 1m 27.180
8. Ericsson Sauber 88 laps 1m 27.555
9. Wehrlein Manor 54 laps 1m 28.282
10. Grosjean Haas 31 laps 1m 28.399
11. Palmer Renault 36 laps 1m 29.365
Ferrari has been busy over the winter.
Mercedes has benefited greatly from sewing up the Constructors' Championship early last season.
Red Bull looks fairly solid with the Renault power unit.
Honda got more laps in on day 1 than they had at all testing and early racing in 2015.
Haas looks to be a potential threat to the mid-field group, having had a relative good time posted on day 1, and getting 30+ laps on a car, by a team, that has never been on the grid before today.
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I agree that not many conclusions can be made from one day of testing, however, the lap count for all teams indicates a full (and competitive) grid will show up for Australia.
If nothing else, that's good news for the sport.
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Grosjean got quite a surprise on the 13th lap. The mountin points for the nose failed catastrophically at 199 mph.
"Suddenly the front of the car went up in the air," said Grosjean.
Also, I've read that Ericsson was running a 2015 Sauber.
http://autoweek.com/article/formula-one/part-failure-hinders-haas-f1-team-first-day-formula-one-test
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Day 2 results/time sheet:
1. Vettel Ferrari 101 laps 1m 22.810
2. Ricciardo Red Bull 112 laps 1m 23.525
3. Perez Force India 79 laps 1m 23.650
4. Rosberg Mercedes 152 laps 1m 24.867
5. Ericsson Sauber 96 laps 1m 25.237*
6. Bottas Williams 120 laps 1m 25.872
7. Gutierrez Haas 67 laps 1m 25.873
8. Wehrlein MRT 46 laps 1m 25.925
9. Alonso McLaren 117 laps 1m 26.082
10. Palmer Renault 42 laps 1m 26.189
11. Verstappen Toro Rosso 106 laps 1m 26.755
* Sauber in 2015 car
Ferrari continues to look strong on both pace and reliability.
Honda remains a question mark regarding performance, but reliability appears to no longer be a big issue.
Haas has had another good day from the looks of it, working through their first testing and accumulating more laps. They have moved up the time sheet too.
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We all know that the first test days tell us nothing. However, based on the results for the first two days I think congratulations are due to Manor - over 100laps and not at the bottom of the time sheets.
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Sure, but two things are clear...the Honda no longer blows up every 10 laps, and Haas is putting in respectable lap counts and times for a team never on an F1 grid. :good: :good:
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Some serious sandbagging must surely be going on though when last year's Sauber can outpace the new 16 Williams car. ;)
Pirelli made the new ultra softs (purple band) tyres available for the first time, however it's clear teams decided to use different fuel loads - how else can we account for some of these times? :DntKnw:
As others have said nothing can be taken at face value from the first test, or any test really, teams choose engine settings and fuel loads and extrapolate their relative overall speed after deducting - or not - their own test set up versus race conditions. Having said that good solid running for new or previously struggling teams is encouraging.
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Three days under their belts now, and things are generally positive for all.
Times:
1. Hulkenberg Force India 74 laps 1m 23.110
2. Raikkonen Ferrari 46 laps 1m 25.977
3. Magnussen Renault 102 laps 1m 26.014
4. Rosberg Mercedes 74 laps 1m 26.084
5. Grosjean Haas 68 laps 1m 26.214
6. Sainz Toro Rosso 142 laps 1m 26.239
7. Nasr Sauber 103 laps 1m 26.392
8. Kvyat Red Bull 74 laps 1m 26.497
9. Hamilton Mercedes 64 laps 1m 26.628
10. Massa Williams 109 laps 1m 26.712
11. Button McLaren 51 laps 1m 26.919
12. Haryanto MRT 65 laps 1m 29.808
Ferrari I have read had some issues today.
McLaren are no doubt happy for the number of laps.
No telling what Williams were up to, but they put a lot of laps behind them.
Haas continues to run more-or-less problem free, and Gene Haas explained in an interview what the front wing problem was and that they know how to fix it permanently.
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Sorry J Clark your list appears to have be taken before the actual end of today's proceedings, here is the official F1.com timesheet:-
1 Hülkenberg Force India 1:23.110 99
2 Grosjean Haas 1:25.874 82
3 Räikkönen Ferrari 1:25.977 78
4 Magnussen Renault Sport 1:26.014 111
5 Rosberg Mercedes 1:26.084 74
6 Sainz Toro Rosso 1:26.239 161
7 Nasr Sauber 1:26.392 115
8 Hamilton Mercedes 1:26.421 88
9 Kvyat Red Bull 1:26.497 74
10 Massa Williams 1:26.712 109
11 Button McLaren 1:26.919 51
12 Haryanto Manor 1:28.249 78
Hulk's fastest time looks impressive, and indeed it is because he also did a 1:25.286 on medium tyres which would still have put him the top of the timesheet. :swoon: To put this in even brighter perspective the Hulk qualified in 17th at last years Spanish GP with a time of 1:28.365. Finding over 3 secs on mediums is either the sign of a really, really good car/engine..... or a fluke. :D
Most of the above times are set on mediums, except Hulk on supersoft for his fastest run, with Grosjean, Kmag and Nasr on softs.
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Four days of testing behind us.
Thursday's final times:
1. Raikkonen Ferrari 78 laps 1m 23.477
2. Kvyat Red Bull 95 laps 1m 24.293
3. Celis Force India 75 laps 1m 24.840
4. Magnussen Renault 153 laps 1m 25.263
5. Verstappen Toro Rosso 110 laps 1m 26.393
6. Nasr Sauber 121 laps 1m 26.053
7. Rosberg Mercedes 86 laps 1m 26.187
8. Hamilton Mercedes 99 laps 1m 26.295
9. Massa Williams 54 laps 1m 26.463
10. Gutierrez Haas 89 laps 1m 27.802
11. Haryanto MRT 51 laps 1m 28.266
12. Alonso McLaren 3 laps No time
Unsure of what is going on at Honda.
Ferrari continue to shine.
Renault looks strong on both pace and reliability at the moment.
Haas just seems to keep on pounding out laps and doing well for a new team.
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Ouch...3 laps for the Mclaren.
Merc is obviously sandbagging, testing something that is delicate or practicing for that photo finish a la Schumi and Ruby ;) ;)
Haas gets another respectable 90-ish laps, albeit a bit slower.
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I've taken the liberty of adding the tyres for these fastest laptimes on the last test day, gives a bit more context I think. It's still hard to draw any conclusions from the times - except Merc seem reluctant to give any indication of their real pace by once again sticking with medium tyres.
1. Raikkonen Ferrari 78 laps 1m 23.477 (US)
2. Kvyat Red Bull 95 laps 1m 24.293 (US)
3. Celis Force India 75 laps 1m 24.840 (SS)
4. Magnussen Renault 153 laps 1m 25.263 (S)
5. Verstappen Toro Rosso 110 laps 1m 25.393 (M)
6. Nasr Sauber 121 laps 1m 26.053 (S)
7. Rosberg Mercedes 86 laps 1m 26.187 (M)
8. Hamilton Mercedes 99 laps 1m 26.295 (M)
9. Massa Williams 54 laps 1m 26.463 (S)
10. Gutierrez Haas 89 laps 1m 27.802 (M)
11. Haryanto MRT 51 laps 1m 28.266 (S)
12. Alonso McLaren 3 laps No time (M)
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Back on track in Barcelona.
Test two Day one results:
1. Rosberg Mercedes 82 laps 1m 23.022
2. Bottas Williams 123 laps 1m 23.229
3. Alonso McLaren 93 laps 1m 24.252
4. Raikkonen Ferrari 72 laps 1m 24.836
5. Kvyat Red Bull 69 laps 1m 25.049
6. Hamilton Mercedes 90 laps 1m 25.051
7. Verstappen Toro Rosso 144 laps 1m 25.176
8. Hulkenberg Force India 121 laps 1m 25.336
9. Nasr Sauber 103 laps 1m 25.493
10. Magnussen Renault 119 laps 1m 25.760
11. Gutierrez Haas 23 laps 1m 26.661
12. Haryanto MRT 45 laps 1m 27.625
McLaren looked good today.
Haas suffered some problems with fuel delivery and didn't get much running done. >:(
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Well, Day 2 of the second test session is nearly finished.
Some, such as Williams seem to have turned up the wick a bit and may be revealing something of their actual pace.
Some are struggling. Haas was having trouble with fuel flow (I think) yesterday and today, a problem with the turbo, so far only logging one lap.
Times, but not final:
1. Bottas Williams 93 laps 1m 23.261
2. Hamilton Mercedes 73 laps 1m 23.622
3. Magnussen Renault 123 laps 1m 23.933
4. Vettel Ferrari 127 laps 1m 24.611
5. Button McLaren 102 laps 1m 25.183
6. Ricciardo Red Bull 112 laps 1m 25.235
7. Sainz Toro Rosso 140 laps 1m 25.300
8. Perez Force India 115 laps 1m 26.188
9. Rosberg Mercedes 71 laps 1m 26.298
10. Wehrlein MRT 63 laps 1m 27.064
11. Ericsson Sauber 49 laps 1m 27.862
12. Gutierrez Haas 1 laps No time
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I was excited to see Mclaren putting in a lot and respectable laps, but they seem to be down 2sec consistently this round. Hope they pick it up.
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Scott, that was more or less my exact thoughts but to be fair the McLarens were actually well in touch with the bulk of the pack. It was really only Ferrari and Mercedes that laid down really fast times. Almost everyone else were within about three quarters of a second of each other.
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Basically true Monty, but Williams sort of flashed their gams too. Again today, Massa posted a good result.
Haas got some laps in, finally, on Day 3.
1. Raikkonen Ferrari 136 laps 1m 22.765
2. Massa Williams 119 laps 1m 23.193
3. Hulkenberg Force India 137 laps 1m 23.251
4. Verstappen STR 159 laps 1m 23.382
5. Rosberg Mercedes 81 laps 1m 24.126
6. Nasr Sauber 115 laps 1m 24.760
7. Alonso McLaren 116 laps 1m 24.870
8. Wehrlein MRT 48 laps 1m 24.913
9. Kvyat Red Bull 121 laps 1m 25.141
10. Palmer Renault 63 laps 1m 26.224
11. Hamilton Mercedes 98 laps 1m 26.468
12. Grosjean Haas 77 laps 1m 27.196
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Kimi did some laps with Ferrari's prototype halo device on the car. He says it wasn't as different as one might think.
http://autoweek.com/article/formula-one/ferrari-unveils-prototype-halo-formula-one-cars
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I like it better than an enclosed cockpit. :good:
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Kimi did some laps with Ferrari's prototype halo device on the car. He says it wasn't as different as one might think.
http://autoweek.com/article/formula-one/ferrari-unveils-prototype-halo-formula-one-cars
Kimi did one lap, out and straight back into the pits when the "Halo" was taken off so not much of a run to to make a decision on.
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Next stop Australia.
Final times for today - Day 4 of Test 2:
1. Vettel Ferrari 142 laps 1m 22.852
2. Sainz Toro Rosso 133 laps 1m 23.134
3. Massa Williams 129 laps 1m 23.644
4. Perez Force India 60 laps 1m 23.721
5. Hamilton Mercedes 69 laps 1m 24.133
6. Ricciardo Red Bull 123 laps 1m 24.427
7. Button McLaren 121 laps 1m 24.714
8. Palmer Renault 90 laps 1m 24.859
9. Ericsson Sauber 132 laps 1m 25.031
10. Grosjean Haas 66 laps 1m 25.255
11. Gutierrez Haas 25 laps 1m 25.422
12. Haryanto MRT 58 laps 1m 25.899
13. Rosberg Mercedes 70 laps 1m 26.140
I hope Haas has their problems solved.
Renault look to be doing alright.
Honda too seems to be doing much better.
Williams, Ferrari and Mercedes all look fairly strong at present.
Force India leaped up to the fore as well.
Testing days/times combined - all 8 days:
1. Raikkonen Ferrari 363 laps 1m 22.765
2. Vettel Ferrari 493 laps 1m 22.852
3. Rosberg Mercedes 656 laps 1m 23.022
4. Hulkenberg Force India 357 laps 1m 23.110
5. Sainz Toro Rosso 514 laps 1m 23.134
6. Massa Williams 411 laps 1m 23.192
7. Bottas Williams 442 laps 1m 23.261
8. Verstappen Toro Rosso 577 laps 1m 23.382
9. Ricciardo Red Bull 456 laps 1m 23.525
10. Hamilton Mercedes 673 laps 1m 23.622
11. Perez Force India 295 laps 1m 23.721
12. Magnussen Renault 509 laps 1m 23.933
13. Kvyat Red Bull 358 laps 1m 24.293
14. Alonso McLaren 331 laps 1m 24.735
15. Button McLaren 376 laps 1m 24.714
16. Nasr Sauber 452 laps 1m 24.760
17. Celis Force India 162 laps 1m 24.840
18. Palmer Renault 273 laps 1m 24.859
19. Wehrlein MRT 251 laps 1m 24.931
20. Ericsson Sauber 380 laps 1m 25.031
21. Grosjean Haas 256 laps 1m 25.255
22. Gutierrez Haas 156 laps 1m 25.422
23. Haryanto MRT 228 laps 1m 25.899
As pointed out, these are spread out over 8 days and with a 4 day break in the middle of the two sessions.
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I realize that testing doesn't tell the full story, but I think we're in for a great season.
Even the teams with 'technical problems' put in a great amount of laps, and posted competitive times.
There is a variety of teams (and engines!) at the top of the time sheets.
I don't see a cloud hanging over 2016 like in the past. The teams look strong (financially). The teams look competitive (Is it possible for HAAS to be the a new team not be last place?).
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If the car is durable, I think Grosjean gives Haas an advantage over MRT in the fight at the bottom.
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I have a funny feeling Haas won't be fighting Manor, but more often in the midfield. To have the tests go almost flawlessly (one front wing and the rest of the issues appear to be Ferrari kit related).
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I've been trying to catch up on the testing broadcasts and just saw an interview with Alonso shortly after one with Jenson.
I used to suggest that Button was at the very least a fantastic team ambassador for Mclaren, and so often we've heard Alonso speak badly of whatever team he was with. This time however I got the complete opposite. Jenson's body language and skepticism was uncomfortable to watch, while Alonso was practically the team cheerleader, he smiled about things he could genuinely compliment, and he was extremely diplomatic and optimistic on things he couldn't.
Quite a surprise.
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Haas also had a brake-by-wire issue on day 3 of the second test session, but everything got analyzed and fixed overnight.
The overall time sheets don't indicate tires used. I am not sure that any of the data from Haas was on the ultra soft tire either. It will be exciting to see how the fare, but like Scott, I don't see them fighting with Manor. Both drivers have the talent, and the car seemed to do relatively well. I think they have a shot at fight for championship points from the first race.
McLaren is still struggling, according to Alonso, but he indicated they are much farther along than they were in 2015. Button is not happy though and that is obvious.
STR and Williams each seem to have had a productive test.
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You're correct J Clark, Haas never put on Ultra softs at the test. Below I have posted the top time recorded by each driver at the test days with the tyres they posted that best time on.
However this still doesn't tell the whole story of where the teams are for the new season as Kimi set a 1m23.009s lap on Softs on Thursday - that's faster than Merc's best soft tyre run by Rosberg at 1:23.022 - game on for Oz I'd say.
Date Driver Team Tyres Time Gap
03-Mar Raikkonen Ferrari US 1:22.765 125.814 mph
23-Feb Vettel Ferrari US 1:22.810 0.045
01-Mar Rosberg Mercedes S 1:23.022 0.257
24-Feb Hulkenberg Force India SS 1:23.110 0.345
04-Mar Sainz Toro Rosso US 1:23.134 0.369
03-Feb Massa Williams S 1:23.193 0.428
01-Mar Bottas Williams US 1:23.229 0.464
03-Mar Verstappen Toro Rosso US 1:23.382 0.617
23-Feb Ricciardo Red Bull US 1:23.525 0.760
02-Mar Hamilton Mercedes S 1:23.622 0.857
23-Feb Perez Force India SS 1:23.650 0.885
02-Mar Magnussen Renault SS 1:23.933 1.168
25-Feb Kvyat Red Bull US 1:24.293 1.528
04-Mar Button McLaren US 1:24.714 1.949
01-Mar Alonso McLaren S 1:24.735 1.970
03-Mar Nasr Sauber S 1:24.760 1.995
25-Feb Celis Force India S 1:24.840 2.075
04-Mar Palmer Renault SS 1:24.859 2.094
03-Mar Wehrlein Manor US 1:24.913 2.148
04-Mar Ericsson Sauber S 1:25.031 2.266
04-Mar Grosjean Haas S 1:25.255 2.490
04-Mar Gutierrez Haas SS 1:25.422 2.657
04-Mar Haryanto Manor US 1:25.899 3.134
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Yeah, I saw a report on that too. It doesn't show fuel levels or if there were any other settings they were playing with though, so as much as I would love Ferrari to line up in front of Merc, I wouldn't put money on it.
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Thanks John.
That would suggest that the Mercs are still well ahead perhaps since Nico's time is only a quarter second behind Kimi's, while on a tire two compounds harder. Massa's time was also on the soft, and less than a half second behind Kimi.
Force India, at .345 off of Kimi, and being set only one compound higher suggests they may be more or less on par with the Prancing Horse.
It will all get very interesting in another two weeks.