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Title: Heroes and Zeroes Melbourne
Post by: Scott on March 27, 2011, 05:35:30 PM
Heroes:

Vettel - didn't place a foot wrong.  Good job to him.

Hamilton - great race - if he indeed had a broken floor, then it was a fantastic finish, Mclaren should just ditch their complicated exhaust and develop the car they have now.  If all had gone well with both cars, there is no reason they shouldn't have been able to keep up with the RBR's all day.  

Petrov - Lift yer chin boy, straighten your back, 'cause those doubters in the paddock won't be snickering at you anymore.  You're the real deal.  Only problem is that now Renault may have to actually pay you something, or chance losing you.  Fantastic drive, and whatever he says, Alonso is certainly p*ssed to be reminded of his lost WDC following you around looking at your rear wing.

Sauber - Great drive for both drivers...hope they get the points back after appeal, and I hope they get a lot more points this season.

Rosberg - was on his way to the points until Rubens ended his day.

Zeroes:

Rubens - I think I suggest he retire each season 2-3 times.  This will be the first time this year.  Maybe Williams can get Petrov for Rubens salary?  Like WF said, after a while his excuses just come across as blah, blah, blah, blah.

Stewards - Race 1, why not give Sauber a warning or a rules clarification instead of DQ'ing both point scoring drivers for a couple of mm infraction?  Sauber claim it made no aero advantage (which they would anyhow of course), but if that is so, then the DQ is a bit draconian in this instance.  

Button - Although he drove solid afterwards, I was yelling at Button to give back the place to Massa for the next lap, but no, he has to insist he was ahead when he went off - which is a load of crap, since if he was ahead of Massa, he wouldn't have seen him pinch Button off the track.

HRT - What the heck...I thought they weren't allowed to race.  Why do they show them doing a lap?    



Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes Melbourne
Post by: Williamsfan on March 27, 2011, 05:51:28 PM
I think you summed it up perfectly there Scott!

Heroes:

Vettel- was a class apart this weekend, sensational and if he can keep driving with that maturity this year, there will be no nail-biting season finale in 2011.

Hamilton- did a fantastic job with a damaged car and looked very comfortable in second place.

Petrov- Great drive, like Scott said he is looking like the real deal and maybe not having Kubica there will help him this year? 

Sauber- Despite the DQ they did brilliantly, especially Perez who was stunning today.

Di Resta- I guess every cloud has a silver lining and Sauber's DQ saw Paul get a point on his F1 debut which was great. 

Zeroes:

Barrichello/Williams- Less said the better, if it carries on like today 2011 will be a very long season.

Ferrari- Where was the speed they threatened all winter?! 

Button- Uncharacteristic case of red mist that blew his chances of a podium

Lotus- after the winter of talking up their chances, they're pretty much exactly where they were last year.  I had hoped they'd be a little more competitive this time round
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes Melbourne
Post by: Jericoke on March 27, 2011, 07:17:44 PM
Zero:

FIA.  Where's all the passing that the flappy wing and disintegrating tires were supposed to provide?
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes Melbourne
Post by: Dare on March 27, 2011, 07:29:50 PM
I think we'd better hold judgement on Petrov,one race
doesn't make a future champ.Remember Piquet also drove
a Renault to a podium finish
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes Melbourne
Post by: Williamsfan on March 27, 2011, 08:12:20 PM
I think with Petrov it is a combination of his race today and also his race in Abu Dhabi where he also performed much better than his reputation to that point suggested.  However, he'll probably let us down next race and make some hideous errors! 
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes Melbourne
Post by: Jericoke on March 27, 2011, 08:17:02 PM
I think we'd better hold judgement on Petrov,one race
doesn't make a future champ.Remember Piquet also drove
a Renault to a podium finish

Yeah, but look at Button's first few seasons.  Not all champions, highly touted or not, start out on top.
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes Melbourne
Post by: Dare on March 27, 2011, 08:19:50 PM
I think we'd better hold judgement on Petrov,one race
doesn't make a future champ.Remember Piquet also drove
a Renault to a podium finish

Yeah, but look at Button's first few seasons.  Not all champions, highly touted or not, start out on top.

The F1 of today doesn't allow you the option of too
many unperforming seasons
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes Melbourne
Post by: David on March 27, 2011, 08:34:13 PM
Yeah, well summed up Scott.  :good:

Special mention to Perez for a very very impressive first drive, nightmare that you lost the points. Also Petrov, I thought you had seen your day but today you proved your doubters, including me, very much wrong.

Where was the performance Ferrari promised? Gutted.  :'(

 
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes Melbourne
Post by: Scott on March 27, 2011, 08:39:00 PM
I think we'd better hold judgement on Petrov,one race
doesn't make a future champ.Remember Piquet also drove
a Renault to a podium finish

I wouldn't even say he might ever be champion...I just don't think he represents a typical pay driver, and when he shows up a veteran like Heidfeld the entire weekend, he's figured something out.  When I say he's the real deal, he's a driver who deserves to be paid, but who may never win...like a Trulli, or a Heidfeld, or a Liuzzi, or a Rosberg, or a Buemi, or a Sutil...

Podium in his second year...lots of past and present F1 drivers can't say that.
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes Melbourne
Post by: Scott on March 27, 2011, 10:05:43 PM
Oh yeah, and I'll second Jeri's point about the lack of overtaking with the flappy wings.  I'll say it again, let them use it whenever they want...some will figure it out, some won't, but it'll make much better racing.
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes Melbourne
Post by: Dare on March 27, 2011, 10:14:15 PM
I think we'd better hold judgement on Petrov,one race
doesn't make a future champ.Remember Piquet also drove
a Renault to a podium finish

I wouldn't even say he might ever be champion...I just don't think he represents a typical pay driver, and when he shows up a veteran like Heidfeld the entire weekend, he's figured something out.  When I say he's the real deal, he's a driver who deserves to be paid, but who may never win...like a Trulli, or a Heidfeld, or a Liuzzi, or a Rosberg, or a Buemi, or a Sutil...

Podium in his second year...lots of past and present F1 drivers can't say that.


Trulli  actually got Renault's firs twin under Flav at Monaco,as  a
thank you he was released later that season and replaced by JV
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes Melbourne
Post by: Scott on March 27, 2011, 10:17:09 PM
OK, I didn't check that well, but still, Trulli hasn't won in years and still commands in the millions.  Petrov is bringing Renault a reported $10m per year and he grabs a podium.
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes Melbourne
Post by: Dare on March 27, 2011, 10:21:03 PM
OK, I didn't check that well, but still, Trulli hasn't won in years and still commands in the millions.  Petrov is bringing Renault a reported $10m per year and he grabs a podium.

I hate to gloat but I'm rarely right ;)
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes Melbourne
Post by: Wats-on on March 28, 2011, 04:31:16 AM
Heros:
Vettel (I'm sorry to say that....)
Petrov
Perez (being diesqualified is not his fault, he drove a fine race)
Virgin (for getting themselves qualified)

Zeros:
Heidfeld!
Massa
HRT
FIA (Agree with Jericoke)
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes Melbourne
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on March 28, 2011, 06:07:20 AM
While it is entirely possible that Petrov could beat Heidfeld head to head, there is such a difference here, I have to believe Nick had some type of problem with his equipment.
Heroes: Vettel, if he can maintain this level of maturity, watch out!
           Perez, showed he can play with the big boys.
           McLaren, what a recovery from testing.

Zeros:  Ferrari, really didn't seem to be on pace.
           FIA, most rules makers inspect the cars before qually, Sauber might have been
                  able to fix this problem.
           Button, should have known better.

Lonny
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes Melbourne
Post by: Wats-on on March 28, 2011, 08:34:51 AM
Here's why Heidfeld didn't really go forward in the race:
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/110930477/AF (http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/110930477/AF)
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes Melbourne
Post by: stealthhaggis on March 28, 2011, 09:11:22 AM
Heroes:

Red Bull - For producing a car that quick without even running KERS!
Vettel -  A true Champions weekend, faultless.
Hamilton - Got the car home and drove around the problem brilliantly. Qualification was impressive too considering he did not have KERS either due to a fault.
Petrov - Have to say was very impressed, steady confident race, now lets see if he can be consistent as well.
Perez - Very impressive début, 1 stop never seemed likely according to the reports on the tyres so very impressive.
Buemi - Good aggressive drive and good solid points, lets see if it is a one of for TR or if they really have designed a good car..
Paul Di Resta - Solid début, ahead of team-mate until told to move out of the way.
BBC - HD TV and Martin and David commentating. Best. Coverage. Ever.

Zeros:

Button - For doing the old head in the sand approach!
McLaren - For letting him!
Sauber - For not checking the regulations properly.
Ferrari - For messing with Massa's head again so early, anyone else think Alonso caught and passed him without the team telling Massa to let him through?
Webber - Just didn't turn up, outclassed by his teammate. He'd better up his game in the next race or he may never recover.
Rubens - For showing experience does not necessarily mean you know what you are doing all of the time!
HRT - What the hell are they even doing in F1?!
FIA - Your wings don't work like that, let the chasing car use it whenever they like not when you think it would be best!
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes Melbourne
Post by: Monty on March 28, 2011, 12:54:42 PM
Heroes:

Vettel- There is still something that makes him difficult to like but the combination of him and a Red Bull (which I'm guessing has been built around him) was unbeatable at this track.

Hamilton- did a fantastic job in Qualifying and in the race and you feel that without the damage to his car he could have made life a little more difficult for Vettel.

Petrov- Great drive and from the end of last season it really looks like he is maturing into a good driver. 

Perez- Despite the DQ he did a great job.

Di Resta- what a great debut. Let's hope the car gets better very quickly.

Button - contentious I know but he was driving brilliantly and definitely provided most of the thrills in the race. He clearly broke the letter of the rules (although he was in front of Massa when he was forced off the track) but considering the sport wants more overtaking it still seems stupid to penalise someone for avoiding an accident when anyone could see that he was so much faster than Massa.

Zeroes:

Schumacher - when is this cheat going to retire  :fool:

Barrichello- when is the most experienced F1 driver going to retire  :fool:

HRT - when will this useless, underfunded team retire  :D
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes Melbourne
Post by: Cam on March 28, 2011, 01:28:20 PM
I have a slightly take on the Button/Massa incident in that it should be called the Button/Massa/Alonso incident.  It all happened right in front of me, but it happened pretty quick, and Im still not entirely convinced that I've got it right but here's what I think happened.

For the laps previous Button had been on Massa's tail doing enverything but get past him.  Meanwhile Alonso was catching them both rapidly. Alonso had just caught them when Button got alongside Massa exiting turn 10.  We could see them on the screen side by side screaming down to turns 11-12 where we were sitting, and I started salivating as to what was going to happen when they got there.

They got through 11 ok still side by side, and it looked like it was definitely going to end in tears at 12 when Button suddenly ducked up the escape road.

What didnt seem to be noticed at the time was that Massa was so busy defending that even though Button had gone he only just managed to get through 12 but lost a lot of speed in doing so.  Alonso, who had caught them both by now took advantage and passed Massa exiting turn 12.  

So in the space of two corners the order has gone from Massa-Button-Alonso to Button-Alonso-Massa.  I think Buttons problem was that if wanted to give the place back to Massa he was going to have to let Alonso past as well, and this was either too confusing or he just plain didnt want to.

Heroes
Alonso gets a hero rating from me cos he was on the limit all afternoon, and seemed to spend the whole day hunting down someone or other.  A crap start seemed to help motivate him.

Vettel was awesome to watch, and it was clear that he has an awesome set of wheels under him.  Quite frankly Webber doesnt look as good.

Lewis deserves a mention.  He was never going to catch Vettel but neither was anyone going to catch him.

Petrov gets a mention too, hope he keeps it up.

Im not rating anyone a zero cos its too early in the season, but Webber, Button and Massa have all been served notice by their teammates, and its going to be a very long season for all three if they don't lift their game considerably.
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes Melbourne
Post by: cosworth151 on March 28, 2011, 01:38:32 PM
Heroes:

Vettel - A good start for the defending champ.

Perez - Impressive debut, had fastest lap for a while.

Sauber - Much improved from last year.

Hamilton - He got the most out of a damaged car.

Wizzo - For giving us a place to hang around together during the races. Thanks again!

Zeroes:

Red Bull - For scuttling Webber's race with an obviously idiotic tire strategy. Now we know for sure who the #2 driver is at RBR.

The FIA - They don't scrutineer before the race?

Barrichello - You're supposed to drive on the paved parts.


Thanks to Wats-on for posting the pix of Nick's car. That helps explain why he didn't have a better showing.
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes Melbourne
Post by: sprite on March 30, 2011, 03:07:54 AM
My first attempt at this

Heroes:
Vettel - drove the nuts of the thing
McLaren - Where did the improvement come from, keep it up makes the year interesting
Perez / DiResta (if I got it right) prove they can run in the big time.

Zeroes
RBR - WTF happened with Webber, both cars in pre season within a bees. Then this race kapow :nono:
Ferrari - not hte end of the world but preseason indicated better than this.
FIA - ummm what happened with the passing etc >:(
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes Melbourne
Post by: Canada Darrell™ on March 30, 2011, 04:20:32 AM
Late to the party and everyone has said it pretty well so short and sweet for me....

Hero's

- F1 in HD!!!!!!! WOOOHOOO!!! IT looked SO good I've watched the race twice! :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

- Brundel and Coulthard: has there ever been an F1 broadcasting duo with a better pedigree? I think not.

Zero's

- Flappy wing thingie but as has been pointed out, lets wait for a track with longer straights. Could the Tilke tracks benefit from such a relatively cheap solution?  :o

- Rubens....get some glasses dude. You purposely rammed the wrong Merc!!!!  :tease:
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