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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: Monty on September 01, 2016, 03:03:09 PM
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Last year for Massa - room for Jenson. I wonder if he can be tempted. His attitude would be a perfect fit in Williams but I'm not sure their mid-pack status will be of interest to him.
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I was about to post this, you've beaten me to the punch :P.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/37245221
It's the right time for him to go and I'm glad that he has taken the decision himself, rather than having been forced out by not having a seat to go to. I'll be quite sad not to see him in Formula 1 any more, as he is a likeable person, and he made a very courageous comeback after being hit by that spring in qualifying at the Hungarian Grand Prix in 2009. Hopefully, he can go out on a high.
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Massa, like many current F1 drivers, had the bad luck of driving in an era of true superstars. The F1 grid, from top to bottom is full of drivers who could with the championship with the right break. Massa came so agonizingly close to that one break. Any other era, he'd have been good enough to win a championship, but he just wasn't in the right machine at the right time.
It is a loss to see him go, but a pleasure to have been able to enjoy his career.
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As Jeri said, he's a fine driver somewhat overshadowed by having teammates like Schumi. I'll be sad to see him go but still glad he's leaving while he's still a top driver. I hope he moves on to IndyCar or sports cars.
I'd like to see Jenson finish his F1 career back where it started - Williams. I think he might like it, too.
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Sad to see him go, a great embasador for the sport and a nice guy. He will be missed, as will watching his father's reactions.
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Can't pretend I liked him now, just because he's retiring. But he did gain grudging respect over the past few seasons while he seemed to climb down off his high horse and get on with the business of racing. Glad there is going to be a seat open at Williams. Button may have burned his bridges a bit early, but you never know, he might still be hungry enough to accept a Williams minimum wage deal.
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Can't pretend I liked him now, just because he's retiring. But he did gain grudging respect over the past few seasons while he seemed to climb down off his high horse and get on with the business of racing. Glad there is going to be a seat open at Williams. Button may have burned his bridges a bit early, but you never know, he might still be hungry enough to accept a Williams minimum wage deal.
Love the honesty.
Any driver who sticks around long enough is bound to evoke a variety of feelings. They all start arrogant when they're young. How can you not when you're labelled top 20 of anything in the world? They don't always outgrow it, though it is pleasant to see when they do.
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In one way I would love to see Button at Williams but if he can hang on at Mclaren I think Honda will really be getting their act together. I doubt they will keep JB though.
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In one way I would love to see Button at Williams but if he can hang on at Mclaren I think Honda will really be getting their act together. I doubt they will keep JB though.
Have to agree with that.
IMHO Nando won't want Jens there if there is a chance the car will be a real front runner, sure he says nice things about Jens but I think that masks a real fear that he can beat him.
Irony is it's the young charger Stoffel that's really likely to be Nando's Achilles heel - or has he forgotten his travails with young Lewis.
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Most of you know that I have always supported Massa.
I will truly miss him. His honesty, coupled with his seldom having a bad word for anyone, driver or otherwise, reminds me of what F1 drivers of decades past were like - gentlemen more or less.
He will always be a champion in my eyes. He won that title in 2008, but for a stroke of luck for Hamilton in Brazil, in the wet. Felipe had done everything possible, and was thwarted by his pit crew - on more than one occasion, Singapore being the most damaging and blatant error that not only took away an almost certain win, but took him out of the points completely.
Formula 1 will miss this guy in my opinion.
I hope he does go to Indy Cars. I'll get to see him in Birmingham, AL when they race there, just like I got to see Rubens and JPM there, where volunteers get incredible access to the garages.
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Jenson has apparently signed a two year deal at Mclaren in a vague role that might see him race in 2018. He won't race next year.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/37268226
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Yes, I saw that. It reminds me a little of how Hakkinen retired in 2001, leaving room for a comeback with McLaren that never materialised. I think that it's probably the end for Button's Formula 1 career, sadly, but if he's happy with the decision, I'm happy for him.
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NBC just gave the impression that McLaren used a contract option to hang on to Jenson while giving Stoffel the seat. I can't rally see Honda being competitive any time soon so at least Button will be spared the embarrassment of still being a back marker. I'd still like to see him in a competitive car one more time.
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Wonder who goes to Williams now?
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Wonder who goes to Williams now?
Probably somebody with a trainload of sponsor cash.
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I thought Williams didn't really need sponsor drivers these days. They can pay for talent, their accounts should be in order after the last two seasons TV money and Martini sponsorship.
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Isn't their development driver, Lance Stroll, being considered as a possibility?
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Williams is in better financial shape than it has been in quite a while. On the other hand, they don't have anything near the funding of Mercedes, Ferrari or Red Bull. Since the current rules pretty well outlaw innovation in F1, the only way to go faster is to throw tons of money at the details to gain an extra hundredth of a second or two.
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Williams is in better financial shape than it has been in quite a while. On the other hand, they don't have anything near the funding of Mercedes, Ferrari or Red Bull. Since the current rules pretty well outlaw innovation in F1, the only way to go faster is to throw tons of money at the details to gain an extra hundredth of a second or two.
And the days of a great driver excelling in a not so great car
are long gone.
I never cared much for Massa but it seemed to me that
in most teams he drove for the other driver always got
the better of him.I will admit I would have liked to see
him win the WDC when he lost it on the last lap.Glock should
have gotten some nice xmas presents that year
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I found this on the F1 site. A nice tribute:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrJGcBhfn5s
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Yeah good vid, thanks Cos. :good:
Let's hope the memory of Felipe's career lasts longer than that of the Turkish GP. Damn, I really liked that race. :(
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Lance Stroll has a trainload of sponsor cash (as well as being talented, if crash-prone). With Bottas rumoured to want to leave Williams (in his case for Renault), Williams may need someone with experience to pair with Lance. (They have Alex Lynn, who's basically a less wealthy and more experienced version of Lance at this point).
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I always thought Massa should have retired when he had that horrible head injury a few years back.
Get out while you can.
There was a time when most drivers did not remain alive long enough to reach retirement.
We are very fortunate that the safety factors put in place in the last 30 years have allowed someone to get out alive after a long career.
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I can understand why he stayed after the injury. he wanted to know he could still do the job. After an injury you want to know how much damage was done; how much you may have lost.
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I can understand why he stayed after the injury. he wanted to know he could still do the job. After an injury you want to know how much damage was done; how much you may have lost.
I never quite understood the 'going out on top' that a lot of athletes subscribe to. If you want to drive an F1 car (or play football, baseball, whatever), and can find someone willing to pay for you to do it, then go for it.
For some people a legacy matters, but for me, I want to do what I like. If I could be the 18th best F1 driver in the world, I'd take it in a heartbeat.
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I never quite understood the 'going out on top' that a lot of athletes subscribe to. If you want to drive an F1 car (or play football, baseball, whatever), and can find someone willing to pay for you to do it, then go for it.
For some people a legacy matters, but for me, I want to do what I like. If I could be the 18th best F1 driver in the world, I'd take it in a heartbeat.
Like you Jeri, and I'm sure most of us, I'd also jump at the chance to be on the grid - even as the 25th best driver. ;) :D
IMHO this 'going out at the top' should really only be attributed to champions, or championship winning team members. There does seem to be something sad about the real cream of the crop staying too long - not sure Massa fits in this group though.
For me Schumi should have made way for another to join the grid rather than putting in less than middling performances at Mercedes, he can't have needed the money after all. Legends like JYS and Alain got it right as far as I'm concerned.
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I can absolutely understand not wanting to retire. Many drivers at all levels have spent their entire lives wanting to become racers. For most, it's just a matter of running out of money & opportunities. there's an old saying: "I didn't quit racing, racing quit me."
This discussion makes me think of Richard Petty, the King of NASCAR. He dominated the series at the height of his career. For example, he won 27 of 49 Cup races in 1967, 21 of 48 in 1971. He won a total of 200 Cup series races in his career. David Pearson is second at a distant 105.
In his last 8 seasons, he had no wins and no poles. 5 wins & 0 poles in his last 11 years. Did he stay too long? Many fans remember him only as a back marker. Still, he remained one of the most popular drivers of the time. He is still the most NASCAR popular driver of all time.