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Title: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: John S on May 07, 2010, 07:29:42 PM

Do we give Nico the benefit of the doubt or is he very cleverly taking the heat off himself after MS outgunned him in practice? I think he is allowed one or two off races so I'll go along with him until after Turkey, but you never know he may bounce back this weekend in Quali.

Nico Rosberg says his pace in free practice at Barcelona was limited by a set-up miscue - and not because Mercedes' updates were inadequate, or suited team-mate Michael Schumacher better.

Having been quicker than Schumacher for most of the season so far, Rosberg was three places and 0.6s down on his compatriot this afternoon in Spain.
Although Mercedes had introduced major upgrades for this weekend, Rosberg insisted his relative lack of pace was a one-off set-up error rather than the start of a trend.

"For me it was a difficult day, I went the wrong way on the set-up just trying something in a different direction, so we need to come back on that and try and get going tomorrow," he said.

"With the new parts that arrived I just tried something big to see if that might be a good direction, something that we hadn't tried this year yet, and it was a big step and looking at it it was probably the wrong direction.

"The thing is that when you try something today, you're so limited on tyres, you try something and then the tyres have gone off in the meantime, so you go out there and it's a disaster.


"You come back and say 'okay, that's not the right way' when in fact it was the right way, it's just the tyres that were bad. I think that's what confused me today and made me go wrong. I was completely out of position today, not where I was supposed to be and just very far away.

"I'm 1.3s from Red Bull, which is miles away - last race it was 0.4s. I just need to get everything set up properly tonight, work some long hours, get everything back in the right direction."

Rosberg denied that the revised Mercedes suited Schumacher better."I think it's two things: one is that he's doing very well today, and the second is that we're very different on the set-up," he said.

"At the moment we have very similar driving styles, so whatever benefits him benefits me too. He did a really good job today, so he's definitely back on form, that's for sure, so it's going to be challenging to beat him."

He also admitted that Red Bull's pace in the afternoon had been unnerving for its rivals.
"It definitely was very fast, it was pretty impressive so we really need to put a question mark on whether we've closed on them or not," Rosberg conceded. "That was our target, and I'm not so sure after today."

ITV-f1.com, Today

Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: Jericoke on May 08, 2010, 03:16:38 AM
That's what practise is for.

Nothing counts until the red lights come on at quali
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: Williamsfan on May 08, 2010, 08:20:20 AM
You cannot really tell anything right now, as has been said.  Judge him after this weekend to see if he was finally outpaced by Schumacher.  Then wait a few more races to see if it is a permanent thing!
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: markb on May 08, 2010, 08:35:19 AM
That's what practise is for.

Nothing counts until the red lights come on at quali

.....and on race-day. :good:
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: SennaMan on May 08, 2010, 10:46:46 AM

I am very skeptical about this "....just a wrong set up thing..." from nico ROSBERG as being dictated PR spin from the team.

He has been outgunning MS all year and all of a sudden with a longer chassis obviously designed to suit Herr Majesty, nico finds himself disadvantaged.

It is almost like Schumacher has recreated his starring role at FERRARI, also with ross BRAWN as team manager

"We love ya driving fast dear nico as long as ya don't beat the Great One," seems to be the call

looks like the Germans, in this case Mercedes-Benz, join the Chinese in the need to save a little "face".

...and all nico can really do is put on a "brave face."

...methinks something "stinks".....  >:(  >:D  :stop:
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: Ian on May 08, 2010, 10:52:21 AM
I don't suppose it's anything to do with the fact that it would take Michael 4 or 5 races to get back up to speed.
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: judy on May 08, 2010, 01:44:50 PM
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"We love ya driving fast dear nico as long as ya don't beat the Great One," seems to be the call

looks like the Germans, in this case Mercedes-Benz, join the Chinese in the need to save a little "face".

...and all nico can really do is put on a "brave face."

I don't see any reason why Nico should "slow down" or stay one step behind Schumi, just to let Schumi "save his face". Who cares about him winning the title 7 times in the past. This is 2010 and I think Nico should put up his maximum performance. However if Merc is going to design a car that is perfect for only Schumi at the expense of Rosberg, I think they are making a big mistake by living by the history book.

Nico is a very talented driver and Ross Brawn should not ignore this fact. I am sure Merc will stand to loose a talented driver if they try to establish the No. 1 and No. 2 driver, based on the concept in Ferrari during the Schumi 's era.  :nono:

Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: judy on May 08, 2010, 02:18:18 PM
I think Nico is making a big mistake in his career if he give in to "pressure" to play the supporting role in Merc and step aside to let Schumi shine. I am sure other front runner drivers like Vettel, Button, Hamilton and Alonso will show Schumi that his era is over!!!
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: markb on May 08, 2010, 02:32:01 PM
Sennaman quote above : "and all nico can really do is put on a "brave face."

...methinks something "stinks"..
... 

Methinks you are right Sennaman!  Mercedes change the car to suit Herr Schu, and all of a sudden, the roles are now reversed e.g. Schu = P6, Rosberg = P8 ????

I am now thinking of do a "block" Qualy prediction of Webber & Vettel for the rest of the season as the Red Bulls seem unstoppable, at least in qualy only me hopes! :DntKnw:
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: Dare on May 08, 2010, 02:44:45 PM
What is so surprising about a 7 time
World Champion beating his team mate in qualifying
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: SennaMan on May 08, 2010, 03:18:25 PM
What is so surprising about a 7 time
World Champion beating his team mate in qualifying

ANSWER:

when he gets a car tailor made to his specifications [the one with a longer wheel-base so michael can get earlier turn in and hang his rear wheels out or let them be looser, which is his preference and has been his driving style throughout his entire career] and all of a sudden beats his team mate in qualifying, for the first time this season

as I said in my earlier posting Mercedes-Benz have made a 'political' decision to justify their 60 million investment in MS and nico just has to wear it

...he should demand he has the earlier SWB car which obviously suits his driving style much better....

for the reasons given above I don't think nico will get his wish and I detect team orders to repeat the PR bullshit that whatever suits MS suits him too......

utter pigs codswallop.......they have now consigned nico to be another support driver for this ruthless and flawed former champion

My new wish is for the other top drivers continue to carve MS up big time and hasten his retirement....
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: judy on May 08, 2010, 05:37:16 PM
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My new wish is for the other top drivers continue to carve MS up big time and hasten his retirement....

I wish for that too!!! I am most disappointed at the way Nico is being treated after he achieved 2 podiums for Merc. I am sure about the team orders and Nico being relegated to the role of second driver. It is obvious that both Schumi and Ross Brawn are living in the past and are trying to re-create the Schumi 's era in Ferrari.

I am sure the other front-runner drivers will out-perform Schumi and show him that his F1 days are over.
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: Scott on May 08, 2010, 05:49:00 PM
I don't think there are any team orders...yet.  It would be completely stupid of him to finish a few hundredths behind Schumi in Qualifying, as well as being near impossible to plan.

I do however agree that he has been surely given #2 status, with the new rebuild longer wheelbase.  It's a shame they just don't let him drive the short version for the season and see who does what.
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: Jericoke on May 08, 2010, 05:58:05 PM
I don't think there are any team orders...yet.  It would be completely stupid of him to finish a few hundredths behind Schumi in Qualifying, as well as being near impossible to plan.

I do however agree that he has been surely given #2 status, with the new rebuild longer wheelbase.  It's a shame they just don't let him drive the short version for the season and see who does what.

I agree, if two designs suit two drivers, why not?

Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: Scott on May 08, 2010, 06:02:42 PM
Exactly - why bin a car that runs just fine?  Give the old chassis to Rosberg and just throw on the wing and tech developments as they are made for Schumi's car.  As long as he doesn't wreck the ones they already have built (I imagine 3-4), he'd have the car all season.
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: Canada Darrell™ on May 08, 2010, 07:52:33 PM
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My new wish is for the other top drivers continue to carve MS up big time and hasten his retirement....

It is obvious that both Schumi and Ross Brawn are living in the past and are trying to re-create the Schumi 's era in Ferrari.


Though I don't agree with the way you've worded this I have to ask myself..."so what?" You have two key players in a dynasty attempting to find the right combination to produce a drivers champion and a constructors title.

If I had the key players that when tweaked properly is a veritable license to print money would I try to do it? You betcha!  :good:

Was I a MS fan when he was a driver? Not for the most part but towards the end of his career (part 1) I gave in and had to admit to myself that he was a step above the talent level at the time. Love him or hate him you'd at least have to agree with that. I just hope and wonder if a 40-something-year-old with a bazillion dollars in the bank is capable of driving on the edge to do it!
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: Ian on May 08, 2010, 08:10:15 PM
My God, the BIGOTRY on here is making me sick, some of you are sounding like football supporters, you certainly are'nt F1 fans.
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: judy on May 08, 2010, 08:33:20 PM
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I do however agree that he has been surely given #2 status, with the new rebuild longer wheelbase.  It's a shame they just don't let him drive the short version for the season and see who does what.

In the first place, can a team run 2 cars with different chassis / design simultaneously in one race. Has any team done this before?

I know even if the F1 rules allow this, Merc would not do it. Their main objective is to create a situation where Schumi is the clear number 1 driver, which I think is most silly. Why prevent Rosberg from displaying his full potential and winning races, just because Schumi demands to be the clear number 1 driver in Merc. Ar the end of the day, Rosberg will not be able to provide the number of points that he is capable of achieving with a car that suite his driving style and Merc will be behind other front runners team in constructors point.

In recent years, it is clear that a team will not be able to win the constructors championship using the approach of a clear number 1, with the other driver playing supporting roles. This is clearly an outdated approach that is no longer relevant in recent years and it is obvious that both Schumi and Ross Brawn are living in the past. I am sure Nico will be joining another team next season if he is forced to play the supporting role to Schumi and neither will Heidfeld be interested in the race seat.  :nono:

Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: Canada Darrell™ on May 08, 2010, 10:12:06 PM
My God, the BIGOTRY on here is making me sick, some of you are sounding like football supporters, you certainly are'nt F1 fans.

If it was my post that has offended you, I apologise.

Darrell
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: Ian on May 08, 2010, 10:41:13 PM
CD, you ain't offended me mate, no way.  :good:
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: John S on May 09, 2010, 12:16:43 AM


In the first place, can a team run 2 cars with different chassis / design simultaneously in one race. Has any team done this before?


The longer wheelbase Merc is not a different chassis they have simply moved the front wheels forward amongst other changes, new rules mean that once the chassis has been homologated for the season it can't be changed without special permission from the FIA.

Plenty of teams over the years have run different spec cars for each driver, in fact it's quite normal for teams to introduce new spec on one car and catch up in one or more races time for the second.

The big problem with keeping the old spec car for one member of a team is the requirement of parallel development which will stretch resources. Nico himself may already know that this new version of the car is quicker than the old one so opting for the old spec may be out of the question.  Remember the other teams will not have stood still and if Merc don't keep up they will end up in midfield or worse.

Schumacher is renowned for being able to describe accurately what changes he needs  to a car to enable him to do faster lap times, not all drivers are able to guide the development so well and have to rely more heavily on others to get the car right. Nico still has to win a race, he may well go on to win many, in the meantime any designer worth his salt will listen very carefully to a multi world champion especially if he is able to show how to add speed to the car. You don't become a seven times WDC, in two different teams, just because someone gives you number one status.


Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: judy on May 09, 2010, 06:56:00 AM
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The big problem with keeping the old spec car for one member of a team is the requirement of parallel development which will stretch resources. Nico himself may already know that this new version of the car is quicker than the old one so opting for the old spec may be out of the question.  Remember the other teams will not have stood still and if Merc don't keep up they will end up in midfield or worse.

The new version is definately not a quicker car if it does not suit Nico 's driving style. It is a car specially designed to suit only Schumi 's driving. By switching to a new version that suit only Schumi, Merc is only making decision that will lead them to midfield. Nico will definately not scoring many points from now onwards. Schumi may be performing better than the first 4 races but other front-runner drivers from Red Bull, McLaren and Ferrari will definately outperform him. At the end of the day, it is a loose loose situation for Merc.

This is clearly a wrong decision by Ross Brawn, probably he does not realize that F1 today is not what it was like during the Schumi's era. Any team would definately need 2 competitive drivers now to stay as front-runners for the constructors title. Sadly Ross Brawn and Schumi are living in the past by trying to re-create the past glories in Ferrari.  :nono:
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: Williamsfan on May 09, 2010, 08:24:38 AM
Nico is supposed to be one of the smarter and more intellectual drivers on the grid.  Much has been made of this and it was one thing that Williams kept banging on about during his time with the team.  However he is not great at developing a car, something else shown by his time at Williams.  What is to say he did not have input into the new parts on the Mercedes, but he cannot fully handle the things he thought might work?  If Nico has the talent he is alleged to have (but has not consistently shown) then he will work out quickly how to work with the Mercedes developments and continue to beat Schumacher. 

But of course the team will listen to Schumacher, he is a legend however much people may try to hide behind his number one status at Ferrari.  He worked hard to get that team together and working in one direction.   How about we appreciate there is a living F1 legend back in the sport.  I am loathed to support him but I think the animosity towards him is a bit OTT.
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: Ian on May 09, 2010, 09:18:35 AM
Well put Williamsfan, I never Kimi, but I would'nt have wanted to see him carved out of races and forced to retire.
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: markb on May 09, 2010, 09:52:31 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8670236.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8670236.stm)

Another article courtesy of BBC Sport on Rosberg's and Schu's thoughts on their new upgrade/s...one thing is for sure, they are not happy bunnies!!!!!
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: Canada Darrell™ on May 09, 2010, 10:47:35 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8670236.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8670236.stm)

Another article courtesy of BBC Sport on Rosberg's and Schu's thoughts on their new upgrade/s...one thing is for sure, they are not happy bunnies!!!!!

This quote from the article pretty much sums it up for me Judy:

Rosberg, who is defending second in the championship behind McLaren's Jenson Button, admitted Mercedes had improved the car in absolute terms, but said he was concerned that Mercedes had slipped back in comparison to the other top teams, Red Bull, McLaren and Ferrari.

If Rosberg is of your opinion then he's not saying so publicly. I'm not sure how one could assume that Merc is developing soley towards Schumi's style when he (Rosberg) himself says the car is improved. Maybe he's a little slower to adapt to a quicker car?  :tease:
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: markb on May 10, 2010, 09:34:23 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8670236.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8670236.stm)

Another article courtesy of BBC Sport on Rosberg's and Schu's thoughts on their new upgrade/s...one thing is for sure, they are not happy bunnies!!!!!

This quote from the article pretty much sums it up for me Judy:

Rosberg, who is defending second in the championship behind McLaren's Jenson Button, admitted Mercedes had improved the car in absolute terms, but said he was concerned that Mercedes had slipped back in comparison to the other top teams, Red Bull, McLaren and Ferrari.

If Rosberg is of your opinion then he's not saying so publicly. I'm not sure how one could assume that Merc is developing soley towards Schumi's style when he (Rosberg) himself says the car is improved. Maybe he's a little slower to adapt to a quicker car?  :tease:
...Or, maybe he is being ultra-diplomatic?.. :DntKnw:
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: monty on May 10, 2010, 12:11:09 PM
I guess Rosberg knew he would be number 2 as soon as Schumacher signed for Mercedes. Niko imediately became the worst paid of the two drivers so that pretty much tells you where he was in the pecking order.
The team have actually admitted that the car was altered to suit Schumacher's driving style. Niko has done a great job of being seen to say the right things but body language said he was very unhappy.
Ironically, what Mercedes have done is make a car that is now slower for Niko and still slow for Schumacher resulting in two pathetic race showings. And before some of you start to build up Michael's finishing position let's be clear; he was holding up most of the cars behind him.  He was gifted two positions by Maclaren (Button's pit-stop and Hamilton's broken wheel) and he was painfully slow but just kept positioning the car so nobody could overtake.
Everybody on this forum knows my views about Schumacher. He is a cheat and the sport was better when he left. Mercedes obviously think he has enough Marketing clout to be worth upsetting a talented young driver but to actually damage your best drivers chances to go for the Championship by making an inferior car seems to be complete madness.
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: Scott on May 10, 2010, 12:32:20 PM
Personal feelings aside, that's a good point Monty...there definately was a Schumacher train behind him.  Had those that could pass him, got past him, he probably would have finished 7th or worse.
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: Jericoke on May 10, 2010, 01:50:58 PM
I guess Rosberg knew he would be number 2 as soon as Schumacher signed for Mercedes. Niko imediately became the worst paid of the two drivers so that pretty much tells you where he was in the pecking order.
The team have actually admitted that the car was altered to suit Schumacher's driving style. Niko has done a great job of being seen to say the right things but body language said he was very unhappy.

Nico needs a better agent/manager.

Ironically, what Mercedes have done is make a car that is now slower for Niko and still slow for Schumacher resulting in two pathetic race showings. And before some of you start to build up Michael's finishing position let's be clear; he was holding up most of the cars behind him.  He was gifted two positions by Maclaren (Button's pit-stop and Hamilton's broken wheel) and he was painfully slow but just kept positioning the car so nobody could overtake.

Mercedes earned the position.  They managed to execute a pit stop pass in a season where refueling bans were supposed to eliminate such things, and then building a car more reliable than Hamilton's.  Don't ascribe Michael powers he doesn't have!

As for the lack of overtaking... this isn't a drag race, it's a road race.  Getting around people has always been the name of the sport.  Defending against a pass is just as crucial a skill as executing one.  It just so happens that the rules this year make it easier to be the defender:  the best drivers are those who can put a slow car in front of a fast one.

Everybody on this forum knows my views about Schumacher. He is a cheat and the sport was better when he left. Mercedes obviously think he has enough Marketing clout to be worth upsetting a talented young driver but to actually damage your best drivers chances to go for the Championship by making an inferior car seems to be complete madness.

I don't think that Mercedes set out to make an inferior car.  You've got to win with what you've got.  I won't argue over who is the most talented driver on Mercedes, but winning takes more than talent.  Rosberg, alas, needs to prove he has more.  (I believe he does, but look how long it took drivers like Button or Massa to prove their overall abilities in F1)
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: monty on May 10, 2010, 02:35:43 PM
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Mercedes earned the position.  They managed to execute a pit stop pass in a season where refueling bans were supposed to eliminate such things, and then building a car more reliable than Hamilton's.  Don't ascribe Michael powers he doesn't have!

As for the lack of overtaking... this isn't a drag race, it's a road race.  Getting around people has always been the name of the sport.  Defending against a pass is just as crucial a skill as executing one.  It just so happens that the rules this year make it easier to be the defender:  the best drivers are those who can put a slow car in front of a fast one.

Jeri
I normally agree with your points of view but on this occassion I will make an exception.
Mercedes definitely did not earn this, they lucked in. Button had a display failure and a dragging clutch which made his pit stop a bit longer than it should have been.
Hamilton picked up some debris which damaged a hub (that is the last report I saw). So Mercedes did nothing other than produce a car that had poor race pace. In other series, when a car is clearly slower than the cars behind they get blue flagged. In F1 at the moment it seems acceptable to just stay in the way. This isn't 'racing' and it is incredibly boring to watch. I did a lot of racing in the past and I would have given up if involvement in a 'race' meant being a part of a parade following a clearly slower car for most of the race.
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: Jericoke on May 10, 2010, 02:59:19 PM
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Mercedes earned the position.  They managed to execute a pit stop pass in a season where refueling bans were supposed to eliminate such things, and then building a car more reliable than Hamilton's.  Don't ascribe Michael powers he doesn't have!

As for the lack of overtaking... this isn't a drag race, it's a road race.  Getting around people has always been the name of the sport.  Defending against a pass is just as crucial a skill as executing one.  It just so happens that the rules this year make it easier to be the defender:  the best drivers are those who can put a slow car in front of a fast one.

Jeri
I normally agree with your points of view but on this occassion I will make an exception.
Mercedes definitely did not earn this, they lucked in. Button had a display failure and a dragging clutch which made his pit stop a bit longer than it should have been.
Hamilton picked up some debris which damaged a hub (that is the last report I saw). So Mercedes did nothing other than produce a car that had poor race pace. In other series, when a car is clearly slower than the cars behind they get blue flagged. In F1 at the moment it seems acceptable to just stay in the way. This isn't 'racing' and it is incredibly boring to watch. I did a lot of racing in the past and I would have given up if involvement in a 'race' meant being a part of a parade following a clearly slower car for most of the race.

Luck is a matter of perspective.

Bad luck for McLaren is good luck for Mercedes, Red Bull, F1F1 and Renault.  The saying 'luck favours the prepared' applies to F1 as much as anything.  Mercedes was lucky, but they took advantage of it.  You've got to be lucky to win an F1 championship.

I'm not going to suggest that what Schumacher accomplished was entertaining.  However, watching fast cars pull into the distance isn't exactly exciting either.  The reason we saw more of MS than Webber on TV had nothing to do with their names.

The current rules are broken, and happened to favour MS in Spain.  Can't blame the guy for that.  He is a champion, and is going to bend every single rule to his advantage that he can.  That's how he wins, and I hope that Nico isn't too bitter to learn from MS.  (And, if you believe that MS has been dodgy, we can hope that Nico only learns the good bits from MS.)
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on May 10, 2010, 03:54:13 PM
Some of you seem to think Nico had the same car as MS. According to Speed's coverage, Nico still had the older Short car, only MS had the revised chassis. Nico has been complaining of the same problem MS has: understeer mid corner. Let's see if Nico improves when and if he gets the fully revised version.

Lonny
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: judy on May 10, 2010, 04:10:36 PM
I don 't think Merc will be getting much positive impact by building a car that is perfect just for Schumi. The drivers from the other front runner teams will continue to outperform Schumi, for sure.

The new car is definately not suitable for Nico 's driving style and I am certain Nico is not going to score much points for the rest of the season. Other front runner teams have 2 almost equally competitive drivers, therefore the other teams will definately score much more points than Merc. The old concept of number 1 and number 2 driver is no more relevant today and as long as Ross Brawn and Schumi insist on using this outdated concept, it is a loose, loose situation for Merc.

I certainly do not agree that Nico has not done enough to prove himself to far. The 2 podiums is definately a proof of his talent and I am certain if he is allowed to continue racing with the old version, he will definately win at least one or 2 races this season. Since Nico has achieve 2 podiums for the first 4 races this season, is Schumi going to achieve 2 podiums for the next 3 races. If Schumi does not achieve any podium by the next 3 or 4 races, does that mean Nico is better than him (since the car is specially designed to suit Schumi 's driving style to perfection).
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: John S on May 10, 2010, 05:03:53 PM
I don 't think Merc will be getting much positive impact by building a car that is perfect just for Schumi. The drivers from the other front runner teams will continue to outperform Schumi, for sure.

The new car is definately not suitable for Nico 's driving style and I am certain Nico is not going to score much points for the rest of the season. Other front runner teams have 2 almost equally competitive drivers, therefore the other teams will definately score much more points than Merc. The old concept of number 1 and number 2 driver is no more relevant today and as long as Ross Brawn and Schumi insist on using this outdated concept, it is a loose, loose situation for Merc.

I certainly do not agree that Nico has not done enough to prove himself to far. The 2 podiums is definately a proof of his talent and I am certain if he is allowed to continue racing with the old version, he will definately win at least one or 2 races this season. Since Nico has achieve 2 podiums for the first 4 races this season, is Schumi going to achieve 2 podiums for the next 3 races. If Schumi does not achieve any podium by the next 3 or 4 races, does that mean Nico is better than him (since the car is specially designed to suit Schumi 's driving style to perfection).

I don't remember the driving greats ever letting a car not suiting their driving style get in the way of them making progress. They just rolled their sleeves up and got on with improving both the car and their driving. I think it is time for Nico to step up to the plate and show what he is made of.


Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: Jericoke on May 10, 2010, 05:10:33 PM

I don't remember the driving greats ever letting a car not suiting their driving style get in the way of them making progress. They just rolled their sleeves up and got on with improving both the car and their driving. I think it is time for Nico to step up to the plate and show what he is made of.


I was impressed with both Hamilton and Kimi pushing ahead last season.  2 champions without championship cars who managed to end the season with top running cars.  I understand they both ran for teams with deep pockets, but they could've rolled over and just accepted crappy seasons.
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: markb on May 10, 2010, 05:19:59 PM
Mercedes to use old 2010 car in Monaco
Racing series      F1
Date    2010-05-10

By Motorsport.com/GMM

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Mercedes will revert to its original 2010 car for the Monaco Grand Prix this weekend.

The Brackley based team unveiled a car with a longer wheelbase in Spain last weekend, which is tipped to have helped Michael Schumacher get the upper hand over his teammate Nico Rosberg for the first time in 2010.

But according to German media sources, the pre-Barcelona package - which in Rosberg's hands was driven to the podium twice in four races - will be up and running again in Monaco because it better suits the slow and twisty curves of the unique street layout.

The shorter-wheelbase car will however be fitted with the latest aerodynamic innovations in Monaco, including the knife-like rollover structure and engine cover air inlets.

"I am very optimistic that we will be more competitive than in Barcelona," team CEO Nick Fry is quoted as saying by Germany's RTL.
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on May 10, 2010, 05:22:57 PM
Ferrari and Mc Laren do seem to be better at Virtual development than the other teams. Better computer programmers on staff? I still think F1 could gain a bit of exposure and allow some other tracks a taste of F1 by setting up 3 or 4 track days during the season to allow a bit of testing. I'm sure at the right venues fans would pay well to see the teams test.

Lonny
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: Canada Darrell™ on May 10, 2010, 05:27:32 PM
Some of you seem to think Nico had the same car as MS. According to Speed's coverage, Nico still had the older Short car, only MS had the revised chassis. Nico has been complaining of the same problem MS has: understeer mid corner. Let's see if Nico improves when and if he gets the fully revised version.

Lonny

Well, isn't that interesting then?  :P

In other series, when a car is clearly slower than the cars behind they get blue flagged.

Really??? I mean sure, if you've got a mechanical failure I can see it but you're not actually proposing that a car on the lead lap be blue flagged are you? In that case, I want MS promoted to 2nd for the 2006 Turkish GP when he sucked on Alonso's fumes for the last 15 laps! I didn't hear anyone really complain too much about that!  :D And lets not even talk about trying to bring that rule forward for a track like Monaco. Talk about a slippery slope......
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: Scott on May 10, 2010, 06:24:49 PM
In other series, when a car is clearly slower than the cars behind they get blue flagged.

I've never heard of that.  Black flagged if it's something mechanical that is holding up the field and the driver is too stubborn to pull in, sure, but Blue flag?  Not if he's on the same lap as the drivers behind and the same class of car.  Kinda takes the racing out of the race if you ask me.
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: Ian on May 10, 2010, 09:00:23 PM
Schumacher earned his place, it was a good pass on Button and if Button could'nt get by him that's hard luck( and I like Button .)
Title: Re: Rosberg: Slow times just set-up error
Post by: stealthhaggis on May 11, 2010, 08:58:18 AM
Agree, Schumacher earned the place by passing Button when he did. In F1 it's all about being ahead to capitalise when something does happen. See Alonso with both Hamilton and Vettel, he earned that finish by qualifying well. Not their fault that other cars go off or have failures.
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