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Title: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: cosworth151 on March 14, 2011, 03:20:19 PM
The BBC may drop F1 and Wimbledon in order to make up a 600m shortfall.

http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/6812613/-BBC-Could-Drop-F1-Coverage- (http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/6812613/-BBC-Could-Drop-F1-Coverage-)
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Jericoke on March 14, 2011, 03:53:14 PM
Good.  I found the ITV race coverage much better with commerical breaks... they would always explain what happened during them.

Canadian TV has commercial breaks, and with the BBC coverage, I don't get to hear what's going on, and no recap when the commercial ends.  (I can still see it, they put it in a tiny frame beside the commercial... but it's not the same.)
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Wats-on on March 14, 2011, 03:59:54 PM
I am not too happy about that. In Holland, I have three possibilities to watch F1.

1. RTL7, a Dutch Commercial Broadcaster with 2 lap commercial every 10 laps;
2. Belgium Canvas: no commercials, but the crew doesn't know sh*t about F1;
3. BBC. Good comments, depth interviews, no commercial brakes.

Can't get ITV in Holland, so I don't like to hear the news above....  :( :( :( :confused: :confused: :DntKnw:
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Scott on March 14, 2011, 05:20:31 PM
Good.  I found the ITV race coverage much better with commerical breaks... they would always explain what happened during them.

Canadian TV has commercial breaks, and with the BBC coverage, I don't get to hear what's going on, and no recap when the commercial ends.  (I can still see it, they put it in a tiny frame beside the commercial... but it's not the same.)

A bit selfish Jeri, try to foist commercials on others just because the Canadian broadcasters can't get it right.  I hope they stay with BBC.  You can always stream the BBC audio and mute the TV if you want to stay up to the moment.
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Willy on March 14, 2011, 05:24:56 PM
In western Canada we can get TSN (Terrible Sports Network) which carries the BBC feed (but with moron Canadian sportcasters who don't seem to know jacksh*t)  to start and end, or Speed TV from the USA.

I prefer Speed but my carrier has just moved it to digital cable from regular so you now must have another box.

Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: cosworth151 on March 14, 2011, 05:32:06 PM
Most of us here in the States can't even get Speed. The BBC feed isn't available over here. That's why folks like Dare and I spend race day trying to find bootleg feeds.

I like Speed's crew of Hobbs, Varsha & Co. better than the BBC. Speed delays quali by 10-15 minutes for some reason, so it screws with using T&S.
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Jericoke on March 14, 2011, 06:31:23 PM
Good.  I found the ITV race coverage much better with commerical breaks... they would always explain what happened during them.

Canadian TV has commercial breaks, and with the BBC coverage, I don't get to hear what's going on, and no recap when the commercial ends.  (I can still see it, they put it in a tiny frame beside the commercial... but it's not the same.)

A bit selfish Jeri, try to foist commercials on others just because the Canadian broadcasters can't get it right.  I hope they stay with BBC.  You can always stream the BBC audio and mute the TV if you want to stay up to the moment.

I think it would be more selfish of me to expect British taxpayers to subsidize my F1 viewing ;-)

Also, for non live races (I can't stay up to watch the Asian/Aussie races anymore so I PVR them), I can't get the BBC audio anyway.

I can only fairly judge the TV coverage on what works for me.

(PS, for the desert races, if you do watch them taped, you can fast forward.  Not NEARLY as dull...)
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Jericoke on March 14, 2011, 06:36:28 PM
Most of us here in the States can't even get Speed. The BBC feed isn't available over here. That's why folks like Dare and I spend race day trying to find bootleg feeds.

I like Speed's crew of Hobbs, Varsha & Co. better than the BBC. Speed delays quali by 10-15 minutes for some reason, so it screws with using T&S.

I personally never liked the Speed coverage, but they black it out where I live, so it's not really a choice anyway.  (I know that what makes a good sports commentator varies from viewer to viewer.  I guess I always listened to Walker and Brundle, so that's what I liked.)

We used to get the qualifying on Speed though, and I noticed that they would start the show 'live', and then 'pause' for commercial breaks.  So when they came back two minutes later, the action would resume from 2 minutes ago. (And then 4, then 6 etc.)  This was back when they had the 1 hour timed sessions.  I thought that was a pretty clever way to bridge the gap between live coverage, and having commercial sponsors.
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: David on March 14, 2011, 07:07:23 PM
Hope this doesn't happen, the BBC coverage is second to none. It's worth the licence alone IMO. They could cancel all the pathetic soap operas instead.
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on March 14, 2011, 07:42:32 PM
More pathetic people watch the pathetic soap operas. F1 and Tennis are fairly expensive and have fairly low viewership so away they go. . And I don't know why you can't get speed, it's carried by almost every cable and satellite company. You need to come out of the boonies and re-enter civilization. :DD

Lonny
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Ian on March 14, 2011, 07:43:52 PM
I also find that very selfish Jeri, it is us Brit's who pay the licence fee and I will be gutted if it goes commercial again, even worse would be scumbag sky. BBC has the best coverage of F1 by far and if you are receiving it for free you can't complain.
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Scott on March 14, 2011, 07:56:54 PM
More pathetic people watch the pathetic soap operas. F1 and Tennis are fairly expensive and have fairly low viewership so away they go. .

Tennis is different though - it's expensive because when a match runs long, they are stuck with their same fees, but lose out on the ad revenue from the shows that follow because they've been pre-empted.  At least Bernie has bowed down to the 2hr time limit, which rarely goes over, no matter what.  Networks can deal with it if they know it'll be over at a certain time.  Swiss TV doesn't carry more than 5min of pre-show and hits the switch as soon as the top 10 cars have gone over the finish line - they get what they pay for and don't even have to send anyone to the races (the commentating team is fantastic - way better than the on-site German morons at RTL - even though they're sitting in Zurich watching like the rest of us on TV).
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: cosworth151 on March 14, 2011, 08:00:27 PM
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And I don't know why you can't get speed, it's carried by almost every cable and satellite company.

Our rotten Republicrook city government cut a sweetheart deal with Time Worthless. They're the only cable allowed in town. $70/month for basic. Much higher than anywhere else around here, and far fewer channels. As for satellite, I'd need to move a mountain out of the way.
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Jugirl on March 14, 2011, 08:39:49 PM
Oh no! I hope it stays on the BBC I don't pay my TV Licence to watch re-runs of a live race

Ju
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Williamsfan on March 14, 2011, 09:06:24 PM
The possibility of no F1 or tennis on BBC?  I might as well give up on terrestrial TV now without either of them on it  :'(  Bad enough that WRC is on EPSN which means I would have to pay extra on top of the Sky TV subscription (I refuse however to pay that fee, so WRC is now just text based for me).
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Dare on March 14, 2011, 09:54:39 PM
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And I don't know why you can't get speed, it's carried by almost every cable and satellite company.

Our rotten Republicrook city government cut a sweetheart deal with Time Worthless. They're the only cable allowed in town. $70/month for basic. Much higher than anywhere else around here, and far fewer channels. As for satellite, I'd need to move a mountain out of the way.


Our rotten Democrooked gov't here controls our cable.I refuse to deal with
the satellite companies here and their fine print contracts.
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: John S on March 14, 2011, 10:19:47 PM

The BBC has a signed contract until 2014 and I can't see Bernie letting them walk away without a big penalty, so I guess it's safe til then at least. ITV chucked the towel in a year early on their deal, at the end of 08, so sorry Jeri no chance of a return to terrestial commercial TV.  :yahoo:
 
This seems more of the same nonsense the Beeb was involved in last year, they were peeved about the settlement they got on the licence fee and the extra things they have been forced to take on. They said they were closing, amongst other things, 6 Music a digital radio channel for alternative & world music, however a large public backlash made them change course about 6. If we want to keep F1 on the Beeb the real answer is to make loads of noise and create such public protest that they will be unable to avoid negotiating a renewal for GPs; - Tennis can take care of itself.  :P

  
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Alianora La Canta on March 14, 2011, 10:21:21 PM
I also find that very selfish Jeri, it is us Brit's who pay the licence fee and I will be gutted if it goes commercial again, even worse would be scumbag sky. BBC has the best coverage of F1 by far and if you are receiving it for free you can't complain.

By the sound of it, the BBC may be coming up with a compromise that can help. I've heard it's gradually going to start implementing pay iPlayer for non-British audiences as a revenue-generating item. It'll probably be a long time before F1 can be included in the options, but it would help resolve this kind of thing.
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Alianora La Canta on March 14, 2011, 10:27:06 PM
The possibility of no F1 or tennis on BBC?  I might as well give up on terrestrial TV now without either of them on it  :'(  Bad enough that WRC is on EPSN which means I would have to pay extra on top of the Sky TV subscription (I refuse however to pay that fee, so WRC is now just text based for me).

Due to the sheer cost of F1 (and the resulting unlikelihood of any other station wanting to pick up the tab without considerable planning), it's probably safe until 2014. However, Bernie had better be prepared to drop his demands if he expects the BBC to keep paying, especially since the BBC does things such as cross-programme promotion and sophisticated red button stuff that ITV won't do and the other British channels can't.

Tennis, as far as I can see, isn't going to be dropped by the BBC. However, it might be shared with another channel.

Interestingly, football is not under threat.
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: John S on March 14, 2011, 10:35:27 PM
Interestingly, football is not under threat.

That's cos it's only really highlights of matches, purchased cut price from SKY to help stop the regulators unpicking the lucrative near monopoly Premiership deals.

 
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Ian on March 14, 2011, 10:39:03 PM
At least we got the 6 Nations on BBC.  :yahoo:
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Jericoke on March 14, 2011, 11:04:06 PM
I also find that very selfish Jeri, it is us Brit's who pay the licence fee and I will be gutted if it goes commercial again, even worse would be scumbag sky. BBC has the best coverage of F1 by far and if you are receiving it for free you can't complain.

I don't get it for free.  My cable bill is quite staggering really.  AND I get to have my coverage interrupted for commercial breaks.

You get F1 just for the cost of owning a TV.   :tease:

Honestly, the ideal situation (for me) would be for a Canadian produced F1 broadcast.  The Canadian GP used to be produced by the CBC, and Brian Williams would call the race along side Murray Walker.  Even had Greg Moore sit in the booth for a few minutes one day. 

(If he had lived... I'm sure we'd have a much stronger Canadian presence in F1 these days.)
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Ian on March 14, 2011, 11:11:59 PM
Not just the cost of a tv Jeri, the licence fee to receive tv is 145.50.  :P
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: John S on March 14, 2011, 11:57:05 PM
Not just the cost of a tv Jeri, the licence fee to receive tv is 145.50.  :P

Yeah and you have to pay that even if you only ever watch commercial or satellite/cable TV. >:D 
So everyone in Britain pays for the BBC whether they watch it or not, it's just tax under a different name;  >:( National Insurance is similarily misnamed too.  :sick: 

 
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Alianora La Canta on March 15, 2011, 12:45:04 AM
You don't have to pay it if you only watch iPlayer or similar non-live services. Provided you are content to wait an hour or two for everything, you really can watch TV for the price of a TV, or a computer and broadband connection (many of us have fast enough connections to manage that).
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: PG_Gabriel on March 15, 2011, 01:56:36 AM
The possibility of no F1 or tennis on BBC?  I might as well give up on terrestrial TV now without either of them on it  :'(  Bad enough that WRC is on EPSN which means I would have to pay extra on top of the Sky TV subscription (I refuse however to pay that fee, so WRC is now just text based for me).

WRC on ESPN? in the states? I have found it on HD net, or some obscure channel like that, but i would love if it was on ESPN!

I have never seen the BBC's coverage, but personally i love the guys on speed, they know what they are talking about and they are entertaining!
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Andy B on March 15, 2011, 07:32:23 AM
I really do not think this will happen for a start they are contracted till 2014 and anything can happen by then but more so it is not just the British licence payer that foots the bill all F1 watched abroad supplied by the BBC has to be paid for so the numbers watching F1 curtsey of Aunty Beeb pays one way or the other. How many countries are paying for the Beeb to stream coverage to them?
Here in New Zealand we have BBC coverage and commentary including the practice days its supplied on Sky NZ and I pay for via Sky Sports HD NZ. :yahoo:
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Williamsfan on March 15, 2011, 08:21:12 AM
Sorry PG, I meant ESPN UK which is different to the one you get in the states.
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Ian on March 15, 2011, 09:40:43 AM
Ali, If you have any means of receiving tv you have to have a tv licence, thats why you have to have one for your computer.

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/ (http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/)
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Scott on March 15, 2011, 09:49:54 AM
After looking at that, it does seem a bit stupid that they have it as a user fee instead of just building it into everyone's taxes.  After all, it basically applies to everyone from about 16yrs onwards on all of Britain. In fact I bet they probably lose more on the honour system it works on now than if they build it in.
 :fool: :fool:

Seems to me that you should just pay for the b&w license and if the tv police come calling, turn your tv to greyscale and tell them you're colour blind.
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: John S on March 15, 2011, 10:14:25 AM
In fact I bet they probably lose more on the honour system it works on now than if they build it in.
 :fool: :fool:


They work from the assumption that every house has a TV and have been ruthless about enforcing collection of the fee, so much so that a few souls who choose not to have TVs have been hounded with constant threats of legal action and even had their houses searched several times. Anti terror cops seem tame compared to the ruthless efficiency of TV Licence enforcment

Even Student accomodation at Unis & Colleges gets the heavy handed treatment.
With a computerised national database and the reporting of who has purchased a TV, by law, the collection rate of the fee is over 99%.



   
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Scott on March 15, 2011, 11:08:54 AM
Wow - sounds a bit like the hotel/restaurant auditors here in Switzerland (we seem to get audited every 2-3 years and have to waste 2-3 days full-time to sit with them an explain every little expense and missing penny of revenue).

It sounds like a bit of make work project.  They have to maintain a massive database, and then they have enforcement officers only for TV licenses??  What better reason to build it straight into the taxes than getting rid of that massive bureaucracy?
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: cosworth151 on March 15, 2011, 11:44:43 AM
WRC is on Discovery HD here in the States, not that many people can actually receive Discovery HD.
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: aazz on March 15, 2011, 04:11:18 PM
This conversation has gone a bit over my head. In the UK do youse have to pay a fee to watch TV? Even free to air?
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Williamsfan on March 15, 2011, 05:48:51 PM
In short aazz, yes, we do.  There is an annual fee called the 'license fee' which every household has to pay.  If not and you are caught out, you get fined.  That gets you 5 basic channels or you can buy a box for extra free to air channels.  Aside from that, you can get cable or satellite for the premium channels. 
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on March 15, 2011, 06:06:15 PM
You pat 145 a year for BBC programming, which is what, about 300 US? I pay 87 US per month for Comcast "Digital Preferred" so I get Speed (and like PG I like Varsha and Hobbs) and HD for WRC, though their coverage is not very good, and VS for IRL, and ESPN for just about everything else. Seems like you get a bargain.

Lonny
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Alianora La Canta on March 15, 2011, 06:32:57 PM
Ali, If you have any means of receiving tv you have to have a tv licence, thats why you have to have one for your computer.

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/ (http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/)

If you watch using a computer, you only need a TV licence if you watch some sort of live TV through it:

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"You need to be covered by a licence if you watch TV online at the same time as it's being broadcast on conventional TV in the UK or the Channel Islands." (emphasis mine)

iPlayer is not a live service (it takes time, in some cases several hours, between the end of broadcast and the posting of that show to iPlayer) and therefore doesn't constitute activity requiring a TV licence. That's what I meant by my previous comment

If you happen to use the live-streaming feature of TV channels on the BBC, that is of course another matter entirely.
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Alianora La Canta on March 15, 2011, 06:48:23 PM
Seems to me that you should just pay for the b&w license and if the tv police come calling, turn your tv to greyscale and tell them you're colour blind.

This works fine until the inspectors ask you why you didn't simply go for the discounted rate for people with major vision-related disabilites (you get 50% off whichever rate applies to your TV). At that point the excuse may be seen through.

John S, I wonder whether the people who have been handed remembered to send in a declaration first (except students, who get re-checked at the beginning of each academic year until the year following graduation). Yes, there's a compulsory visit and search afterwards, but after that the rules say inspections should only be once every 2 years. If the searches are more frequent despite such a declaration, that would be a valid cause for legal investigation.
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Dare on March 16, 2011, 01:26:20 PM
I keep getting visions of Fahrenheit 451.Men pulling up and
looking for tv's instead of books in hidden rooms and walls
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: John S on March 16, 2011, 02:07:37 PM

John S, I wonder whether the people who have been handed remembered to send in a declaration first (except students, who get re-checked at the beginning of each academic year until the year following graduation). Yes, there's a compulsory visit and search afterwards, but after that the rules say inspections should only be once every 2 years. If the searches are more frequent despite such a declaration, that would be a valid cause for legal investigation.

Even one search is too much, they can't even search your home if you're suspected of commiting major crimes without just legal cause and then it often requires a court sanctioned warrant.

My big isssue is around the need for individuals to first deny then prove they do not receive TV signals rather than the other way round. Over the years there have been a few publicised cases of over zealousness by the TV licence enforcers, the main complaint now is about the constant monitoring and the regular need to keep declaring no TV ownership. All of this is in pursuit of funding for an organisation that champions freedoms for individuals every day on their news broadcasts. - Bah Humbug, amongst many other things.  :P 



   
     
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: aazz on March 17, 2011, 12:36:24 AM
Television viewing in Britain seems to be an expensive exercise. In Australia we get about fourteen channels all for free (no licence fee either) all we have to buy is a digital receiver. And the best part of that is that Network 10 has the rights to the F1 here so we get the BBC coverage in HD. Qualifying and the race is shown live, although it is on at the dead of night.
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: monty on March 17, 2011, 01:12:27 PM
BBC (and us fans based in the UK) need more international channels to purchase coverage from the BBC so they can afford to keep F1.
I still think BBC do this type of live motor sport better than anyone so I hope they can find a method of funding future coverage.
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Scott on March 17, 2011, 04:07:05 PM
I think the problem is that they can only sell the audio rights - Bernie would never let the BBC re-sell the video broadcast.
Title: Re: BBC May Drop F1
Post by: Jericoke on March 18, 2011, 12:01:04 AM
I think the problem is that they can only sell the audio rights - Bernie would never let the BBC re-sell the video broadcast.

That would certainly explain why I never get any of this Eddie Jordan/DC stuff everyone talks about.

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