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Title: New looks in F1
Post by: Jericoke on March 25, 2018, 04:59:45 PM
Seeing the halo on track brings up a couple of things

The broadcast graphics have been tweaked.  I assume they're handled by FOM like in the past, or are they made by Sky?  Does anyone know?  They're a lot more colourful than before, but I don't think they're providing much different information.  I do like that we actually get to see the team logos instead of just the colours.
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: Scott on March 25, 2018, 05:24:11 PM
Re the monitors, I noticed RBR is one of the only teams using just one screen, which has two benefits, obviously the driver can see whatís going on around him and even look an engineer in the eye in a discussion, and of course, we can actually see the driver as they sit in the car, which canít be said of the 2-screen teams.

I think the drivers climb in and out even easier - they seem to have more leverage than before.  But the question is how easy it will be for a driver to climb out when the car is on itsí lid.

The graphics are FOM, and even hint of the logo.  Whatís very different is the DRS separation graphic they show when a car is approaching or inside the DRS 1sec rule.  I find that really good.  All in all, I find the graphics a leap forward.   :good: :good:
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: guest3164 on March 25, 2018, 06:33:01 PM
I found it hard to tell drivers apart due to the Halo.  I appreciate what it is designed for but still hope for a more elegant solution.  I read on Autosport about maybe painting the Halo to match the driver's helmet and I think that makes sense in the short term, it'll help fans and really F1 should be about us. 

The new graphics are good, clear and engaging but I dislike the new font immensely.  Not clear at all and the font size is considerably smaller, to the extent that even though we got a bigger TV since last season, the writing is smaller and harder to make out. 
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: Calman on March 27, 2018, 12:38:50 AM
In the same way as F1 Pundits, we would talk about the Halo all day long ... and most of the observations/assessments are not good!!!

From outside the car, it looks pretty ugly from most angles, especially (in my opinion) looking at the car side on.  I know most teams have done their best to "Tame the Halo" with design features and paint jobs, but the worst of the worst perspective, is the driver's view ... or to be more accurate, the view just above the driver. 

In past years, the sport worked hard to give us a "feel of speed and experience" from camera angles as low as possible, where now with the Halo in place, they are higher again and less of a thrill (from the perspective of a driver's hands on the wheel, nose and front wheels).

Who knows where they go from here, but we repetitively hear "The Halo is hear to Stay!" ... so I feel that everyone has been well schooled to continue echoing those sentiments, until such times as the Halo is re-visited or drastically re-designed.  Only time will tell.

All the best,
Cal :)
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: Dare on March 27, 2018, 12:54:41 AM
Ferrari did the best job at making the halo less
obvious. Scott said it in chat and I agree with him :good:
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: Calman on March 27, 2018, 01:28:50 AM
...Indeed, while some other teams had such a colour blending separation, that the Halo looked as welcome as a Poodle Poo on a Bride's Wedding Dress!!!!

All the best,
Cal :)
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: sprite on March 27, 2018, 02:37:15 AM
Not really phased by the Halo, as how can you detract from already rubbish designs. F1 needs to get back to proper cars, limited or no wings and other crap plus have more mechanical grip.
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: Robem64 on March 27, 2018, 06:57:24 AM
Worst part of the new graphics - the pics they've used of the drivers. Makes them all look like ex-cons!
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: Calman on March 27, 2018, 09:30:07 AM
Worst part of the new graphics - the pics they've used of the drivers. Makes them all look like ex-cons!

GOSH!!!! I thought EXACTLY the same thing ... looked really tacky IMO.  It was similar to a boxing promotion, only WORSE!!! ... did I even detect an animated Roman G pointing to the camera??? ... OH NO!!! ... while most other drivers sported a pathetic side shot pose or "safe" folded arms (Bottas etc).

I understand they need "gloss" for newcomers or existing armchair fans, but I feel that they are watering down everything F1 stands for and I worry about the future for the sport.

All the best,
Cal :)
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: Robem64 on March 27, 2018, 12:25:10 PM
Totally agree Cal......it's a slippery slope when they start losing the very essence of the sport we love. Yes, they need to embrace the digital age/social media etc etc but not at the expense of the bones of the sport.
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: Dare on March 27, 2018, 01:52:59 PM
The new F1 of later years remind me of the movie
Excalibur when Arthur broke what couldn't be broken.
If people stop F1 I wouldn't be the least surprised.
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: John S on March 27, 2018, 03:52:19 PM
I'm a bit more sanguine about the look of this year's cars with the halo. Maybe its just my big screen TV but I don't find it more difficult to identify the driver - there's only 2 cars each team so it's a 50/50 guess when not sure. :D

I'm more concerned about the inability of cars to live in the wake from the car in front. No amount of power equalization is going to solve that and there is no plan to tackle either problem.  :confused:
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: Alianora La Canta on March 27, 2018, 04:11:26 PM
I couldn't see the "ex-con" pictures because for some reason there's been a miniaturisation craze of pretty much everything. Half the time, I couldn't read the information that was being posted.

The Halo looks horrendous to me, no matter what aesthetic attempts are made on it, it looks like a weapon aimed that the drivers. If a fist is aimed at my face, then putting it in a pretty glove won't make me have a better opinion of it.
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: Ian on March 27, 2018, 04:35:19 PM
Totally agree about the halo Ali, get rid of it. Then get rid of all the excessive aero so we can then see some overtaking.
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: Robem64 on March 27, 2018, 07:23:56 PM
The difficulty everyone had in this first 2018 race when they got close to the car ahead was plain to see. I fear that more and more we'll be hearing the phrase...."it's difficult to overtake on this (every) track"
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: guest3164 on March 27, 2018, 08:06:16 PM
I can only imagine how 'fun' the Monaco Grand Prix will be.   :lazy:
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: Dare on March 28, 2018, 12:11:01 AM
Totally agree about the halo Ali, get rid of it. Then get rid of all the excessive aero so we can then see some overtaking.

Nothing will ever be done about the aero. People have been complaing
for years to deaf ears. We ought to accept they don't give a hoot about
the fans only the fans money
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: Calman on March 28, 2018, 12:33:00 AM
Nothing will ever be done about the aero. People have been complaing
for years to deaf ears. We ought to accept they don't give a hoot about
the fans only the fans money

.. and I hate to admit it, but now under Liberty Media's control, that point of view is more accurate than ever ... IMO.

All the best,
Cal :)
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on March 28, 2018, 02:50:43 AM
The FIA has made some half hearted attempts to reduce aero, but the manufacturers always veto it. They feel aero development is one area they can demonstrate their tech with all the engine and other restrictions they deal with. As long as that remains true, it won't change. The FIA won't risk manufacturers walking away from the "sport" because of the rules.
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: Scott on March 28, 2018, 01:08:57 PM
The FIA has made some half hearted attempts to reduce aero, but the manufacturers always veto it. They feel aero development is one area they can demonstrate their tech with all the engine and other restrictions they deal with. As long as that remains true, it won't change. The FIA won't risk manufacturers walking away from the "sport" because of the rules.

I wonder if anyone will explain how restricting the engine development, which requires a ton of R&D to create engines on the razors edge between reliability and maximum power along with the insane amount of R&D poured into aero to fight against those engine restrictions, is in ANY way a money saver aside from the little bit of physical manufacturing difference between 20 engines and 4 per car.

I bet the teams have never spent so much money trying to get the most out of their cars and engines than before when they would bring 5-6 engines per race.
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: Irisado on April 06, 2018, 09:37:16 PM
Awful in every respect is how I will sum up Formula 1's new look.

Starting with the graphics, the font that is used looks like the one from Geoff Crammond's 2001 Grand Prix 4 computer game.  Those graphics were not great then and they look even more hideous now.  The second problem is the font size is such that I cannot read any of the information on my small television, even with my glasses on.  The last issue that I have is that they take up far too much of the picture and are too distracting.  Mind you, at least it gives me something to watch, as the quality of the racing is nothing to catch the eye, but I'm going to discuss that elsewhere.

The halo is hideous.  It makes driver identification too difficult and I am very concerned about what will happen if a car flips over or the halo comes loose for some reason.  I understand the need to constantly improve safety, but it is a step too far in my opinion.
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: Calman on April 10, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
The 'B Movie' opening credits style music is starting to get on my nerves, as you miss some of the technical vocal details, where the music is too overpowering, unnecessary and plain annoying.  It's almost like watching a serious sporting event and your little brother is watching a gladiator style movie in the next room. 

Some of the "tame" graphic changes are growing on me, but the over the top photo animations, drivers in danger zone with patronising division lines bla bla bla, well, they are purely to grab the attention of 12 year olds that know squat about F1!! (and will likely have less interest in 12 months time) *rant over*  :DD

All the best,
Cal :)
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: guest3164 on April 10, 2018, 08:32:38 AM
I agree about the music.  Perhaps it was my mood, but I had to mute the TV during that part of the race build up. 
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: cosworth151 on April 10, 2018, 08:11:07 PM
The whole Halo thing reminds me of the giant flap we had over here when they mandated roll cages on sprint cars. Everybody complained how ugly they were and how they would ruin the sport.

Now, they look perfectly natural and it's hard to believe how deadly the old cars were.

I'm glad to hear that some of the rest of you are having problems reading the on-screen graphics. I was afraid that it was just a function of my advancing years.  :confused:
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: Calman on April 10, 2018, 11:08:55 PM
I'm glad to hear that some of the rest of you are having problems reading the on-screen graphics. I was afraid that it was just a function of my advancing years.  :confused:

Not at all cosworth151, the new graphics and particularly on screen text, is a sufficient size for anyone under the age of 85yo ... so everyone should be able to read this example, similar to the size of text we see on our TV screens.  Have a nice day! *runs*

All the best,
Cal :)
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: cosworth151 on April 11, 2018, 12:13:46 AM
Dear Cal,

 :tease:

Sincerely,
Cos (Great Grandpa since 2016)    ;)
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: Calman on April 11, 2018, 01:48:52 AM
Dear Cal,

 :tease:

Sincerely,
Cos (Great Grandpa since 2016)    ;)

Seriously though .... Respect!!!   :good:

All the best,
Cal :)
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on April 11, 2018, 08:29:21 AM
Nah! Don't respect him, it just goes to his head.   :crazy:
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: cosworth151 on April 11, 2018, 02:43:17 PM
Just joking, Cal. I couldn't resist.   :good:
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: Irisado on April 13, 2018, 04:58:06 PM
It was the first time that I had heard the build up music, since Channel 4 sensibly cut it from their highlights package of the Australian Grand Prix.  It is awful and yet another gripe for me, on top of all the others mentioned, about the whole presentation package this year.

It is like watching a computer game with the graphics and silly 'driver in danger' comments.  The starting grid presentation with the drivers full length photos only serves to convey that impression still further.  I don't like it at all.
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: guest3164 on April 13, 2018, 07:47:04 PM
I must admit I used to like the old starting grid graphic where you would 'physically' move down the grid to a portrait picture of the driver.  Felt a better fit than this new one.  I guess in time it will grow, but right now I am not a fan.
Title: Re: New looks in F1
Post by: Calman on April 13, 2018, 08:44:57 PM
I must admit I used to like the old starting grid graphic where you would 'physically' move down the grid to a portrait picture of the driver.  Felt a better fit than this new one.  I guess in time it will grow, but right now I am not a fan.

Totally agree!! ... Visually, it was far nicer in my opinion.  It was better in so many ways, particularly the representation of the grid and driver positions (as it scrolled into the background). 

All the best,
Cal :)
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