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Title: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: John S on January 24, 2019, 08:35:04 PM
Well Marko thinks so and with comments like "He can tell you: ‘That won’t work’. He doesn’t have a computer" and, [even without a computer] "what he designs is 95% correct."

There is also the question of Adrian's contract ending in a year, how many proposals do we guess he will receive?

Considered by many as perhaps the greatest F1 designer ever, Newey has remained loyal to Red Bull through thick and thin, although a move to Ferrari came close to happening in 2014.
The 60-year-old's contract with Red Bull has entered its final year, and Marko is hopeful of keeping its designer onboard, especially with F1's big regulation overhaul sitting on the 2021 horizon.

"Newey’s a crucial factor. When the new aerodynamic rules came, we were completely off. By Barcelona we had a competitive car again," said Marko.
"That’s Newey. He sees what’s not right, even in the design stage, without all the technical data.
"He can tell you: ‘That won’t work’. He doesn’t have a computer – you feel right at home in his office! He just has a big drawing board.
"Another person translates it into the computer language so that the others can understand it. [But] what he designs is 95% correct."

Taken from longer article 'Red Bull switch to Honda just what Newey needed', courtesy F1i.com.
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: Calman on January 24, 2019, 09:18:37 PM
I would love to see Newey go back and chap on the Williams door, but can't see that happening any time soon!!

Best Regards,
Cal :)
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: Jericoke on January 25, 2019, 03:35:38 PM
Just like comparing different drivers from different eras, it's impossible to compare designers too!

Newey is very good at what he does, but how can he compare to designing a 6 wheel car?  Or ground effects?  The first ever wing?  The first mid mounted engine?  If modern F1 designers were allowed free reign to try something radical, would he stack up, or would he just iterate a slightly better version of what others do?
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: Dare on January 25, 2019, 04:28:11 PM
I wish Ferrari would swap Vettel for Newey
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on January 25, 2019, 06:16:07 PM
Just like comparing different drivers from different eras, it's impossible to compare designers too!

Newey is very good at what he does, but how can he compare to designing a 6 wheel car?  Or ground effects?  The first ever wing?  The first mid mounted engine?  If modern F1 designers were allowed free reign to try something radical, would he stack up, or would he just iterate a slightly better version of what others do?

Very True. Chapman and Co. at Lotus may not have been as advanced but I believe they had more firsts in design.
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: cosworth151 on January 26, 2019, 09:19:16 PM
I agree. There is a huge difference between the wide open innovation of days past and today's squeezing fractions of seconds out of a very tight set of rules.

Newey is known for engine covers that are very tight around the engines. Many blame the tight quarters for the Renualt engines frequently going kerblamo. I wonder how the Honda lump will survive it.
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: Calman on January 26, 2019, 10:23:24 PM
Going by what I have read in the 2019 pre-season reports so far - "Honda Lump" could prove to become an accurate assessment - only time will tell!!  ;)

Best Regards,
Cal :)
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: Dare on January 27, 2019, 03:02:55 PM
Going by what I have read in the 2019 pre-season reports so far - "Honda Lump" could prove to become an accurate assessment - only time will tell!!  ;

Best Regards,
Cal :)


Wouldn't that be nice.  I'm glad my Civic has a
different engine
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: Jericoke on January 27, 2019, 05:01:35 PM
Going by what I have read in the 2019 pre-season reports so far - "Honda Lump" could prove to become an accurate assessment - only time will tell!!  ;

Best Regards,
Cal :)


Wouldn't that be nice.  I'm glad my Civic has a
different engine

Maybe you do, and that's the problem.  Slapping a turbo on it and tripling the revs would be a disaster!
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on January 27, 2019, 05:11:33 PM
Toro Rosso had a couple of surprisingly good finishes last season, but the Honda was the least powerful and least reliable engine in the series. Even if they make another leap in both areas, it's unlikely they will catch Mercedes and Ferrari. I think F1 will be a 3 tier series next season: 1. Merc and Ferrari, 2. Renault, Haas and R/B ( R/B may have the best car here but lack of power will hold them back and reliability will cost points) and 3. The rest of the field. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: Dare on January 28, 2019, 12:08:22 AM
Going by what I have read in the 2019 pre-season reports so far - "Honda Lump" could prove to become an accurate assessment - only time will tell!!  ;

Best Regards,
Cal :)


Wouldn't that be nice.  I'm glad my Civic has a
different engine

Maybe you do, and that's the problem.  Slapping a turbo on it and tripling the revs would be a disaster!


Honda makes a Turbo Civic,so there :tease:
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: John S on January 28, 2019, 05:09:00 PM

Honda makes a Turbo Civic,so there :tease:

They also make a diesel turbo version of the CRV
and I want one for my next car.  :yahoo: :yahoo:
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: Dare on January 28, 2019, 08:11:52 PM

Honda makes a Turbo Civic,so there :tease:

They also make a diesel turbo version of the CRV
and I want one for my next car.  :yahoo: :yahoo:


What are you driving now?
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: John S on January 28, 2019, 09:53:24 PM
A SEAT Altea XL 1.6 Tdi. A higher version of the SEAT Leon estate, I'm old so prefer not to have to pull myself up outa cars.  :D 

It's based on the same platform as the VW Golf SV, the SEAT version came first but they've now dropped it in favour of making an SUV model.  ::)
I wanted another Altea XL, but later one.  :(

I know the CRV is an SUV, if you can't beat em - join em.  ;)
I can't afford a new one from Honda or SEAT, but as Honda have been making theirs longer I can get a 5 year old one in my price range.

 
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: monty on January 29, 2019, 11:04:33 AM
I try not to let age or 'looking good' get in the way of my car choice. This is my car - I have learnt to fall out of it gracefully  :DD
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: Alonsofan on January 29, 2019, 02:00:07 PM
https://imageshack.com/i/po3vFbZpj

This is my daily ride hehe. Parked outside mother and fathers.....father has gotten rid of the tree since then hehe
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on January 30, 2019, 12:05:21 AM
Not sure if this will show. I've forgotten how to post a pic. My ride is a bit of a Q ship.
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: Luke on January 30, 2019, 08:33:12 AM
This is my run around, I am sure it has lots of Newey inspired design traits. 

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQxbsYX5b_H6EVrVnxGx2PbIadWZ9i9A0gCdJ-rt_FY9fmls9I4)
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: Alonsofan on January 30, 2019, 10:00:33 AM
Loving the gold alloys Ikjohnson  :good:

Yay, Peterborough bus station that brings back some memories....running for a bus and watching it pull away....grrrrr. Though Luke, it's the best way to get around a busy city and you don't have any Audi drivers up your....how to word this....bumper hehe
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: monty on January 30, 2019, 10:03:29 AM
Quote
This is my run around, I am sure it has lots of Newey inspired design traits. 

The most powerful vehicle posted so far  :D
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: Luke on January 30, 2019, 10:08:49 AM
Loving the gold alloys Ikjohnson  :good:

Yay, Peterborough bus station that brings back some memories....running for a bus and watching it pull away....grrrrr. Though Luke, it's the best way to get around a busy city and you don't have any Audi drivers up your....how to word this....bumper hehe

Trust me, that is actually good for round here, seeing a bus pull away.  More often than not it is quicker for me to walk the 2 miles to work than it is to wait for the bus which 'should' come every 10 minutes.  Feel privileged you actually saw a bus!
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: Alonsofan on January 30, 2019, 10:32:37 AM
Oh happy days although it could be worse Luke you could have to travel via rail.....noooooo. Life really doesn't get much worse than that.     
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: Luke on January 30, 2019, 03:25:19 PM
I am grateful I do not need to use a train, the idea of commuting on one is frankly frightening given how unreliable and overcrowded they are.  It makes Stagecoach buses seem positively brilliant!
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: cosworth151 on January 30, 2019, 04:02:21 PM
Here's a 4 cylinder 3 wheeler I used to run around in. Not as powerful as the other vehicles here but much faster.  :D

I won't say how old the picture is. I'll just say that my daughter Angie was 14 in it. She a grandmother now.  :swoon:
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: Calman on January 30, 2019, 06:02:32 PM
This was my last owned car in Scotland (before jumping the pond to Western Canada).

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7851/39965586533_28fea5b499_b.jpg)

As you can see in this photo, that is indeed sunshine ... it does happen in Scotland (once in a pink moon).

Best Regards,
Cal :)
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: Alonsofan on January 30, 2019, 06:36:26 PM
Here's a 4 cylinder 3 wheeler I used to run around in. Not as powerful as the other vehicles here but much faster.  :D

I won't say how old the picture is. I'll just say that my daughter Angie was 14 in it. She a grandmother now.  :swoon:

I couldn't see your picture at first Cosworth so had visions of a Reliant Robin hehe. I was getting images of Del Boy popping up hehe.
Joking aside what a lovely picture  :D
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: Calman on January 30, 2019, 06:59:54 PM
I won't say how old the picture is. I'll just say that my daughter Angie was 14 in it. She a grandmother now.  :swoon:

Of course, we are all doing the Maths now Cos ... and I figure your daughter must be around 45-46?

Best Regards,
Cal :)
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: Alianora La Canta on February 03, 2019, 12:17:20 AM
Oh happy days although it could be worse Luke you could have to travel via rail.....noooooo. Life really doesn't get much worse than that.   

At least the train lets me board - something my local buses generally don't let me do. They just pretend I'm not there and drive past, or drive away if I approach the front door (much to the chagrin of anyone behind me). Oddly, the ones near Silverstone, Liverpool, Budapest and Prague/Praha are much happier about letting me use them than the ones near my house or former university.

My usual transportation, a pair of office shoes and a pair of purple running trainers that would be off-brand for Red Bull, probably don't have much Newey influence.
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on February 03, 2019, 02:50:15 AM
My sister used to take the train into and home from downtown Chicago every day day and really liked it. Driving to and from the station was much more stressful.
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: Warmwater on February 03, 2019, 04:36:52 AM
Nothing to do with Newey, but here is a photo of my 10th vehicle. I paid $200 for it in 1973, traded it for a 1965 Oldsmobile Tornado a few months later. Wish I had either of them now!
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: Warmwater on February 03, 2019, 05:15:46 AM
OK, here is my feelings about Adrian Newey's talent....
As a professional Mechanical Designer, as opposed to a mechanical Engineer, I can appreciate Adrian Newey's reliance on visual feeling about whether something will or won't work, instead of a computer generated design. Some people are able to visualize things in a very practical way, seeing in their “mind's eye” a very detailed picture of any particular object. He is undoubtedly very adept at that, and probably very few can “imagine” a train of events from beginning to finality. He is exceptional.
   
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: Calman on February 03, 2019, 06:12:15 AM
Yup!! ... that's a "drivers" car alright.   Would love to blast down some quiet country lane and country road curves with those wheels!!!

Best Regards,
Cal :)
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: Warmwater on February 08, 2019, 10:08:49 PM
To Cosworth's post: "Here's a 4 cylinder 3 wheeler I used to run around in. Not as powerful as the other vehicles here but much faster"
Here is my old 3 wheeler in 1974, it was built in 1946.... cruise all day at 120 mph, paid $3,000 for it!
Title: Re: Is Newey the biggest design brain ever in F1?
Post by: cosworth151 on February 09, 2019, 08:58:45 PM
An Ercoupe! A wonderful plane with no rudder pedals. Back in the 90's a pilot here in Lancaster had one & I got to fly it a couple of times.