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Title: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Scott on April 14, 2019, 08:56:34 AM
Hero's

Well managed race by Mercedes.  Hamilton and Bottas were error free.

Max was also well behaved, but aside from a short skirmish with Vettel, he barely saw anyone else during the race.

Vettel finished a strong 3rd in a Ferrari managed race.  They wouldn't have had to ask Leclerc to pull over if Vettel hadn't been blocked by a slow Bottas off the start.  Leclerc probably would have done as well, but he has plenty of time and should lay off the radio comments and discuss things in the team de-brief with data in hand.

Nice to see DR getting a solid 7th, but Renault should be ahead of RBR.  That damn Honda seems to finally have made it to the big time.  Too bad for Alonso.

Perez in the points and 45sec ahead of his teammate.  At least Lance finished and didn't run over anyone.

Zero's

Williams was just an embarrassment again today.  Obviously the engine can survive a race, but the car is miles off the pace.

Ferrari for annoying probably every French fan of F1.  This early on, they could have just let it play out, or at the very least just change the pit strategy of Leclerc.

Designer of the track...boring.

Other notes:

3DNF's - Hulk, Kvyat and Norris.

Gasly FL...they threw new rubber on him a couple of laps before the end.
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Luke on April 14, 2019, 09:00:24 AM
Apologies for lurking and then disappearing Scott, got slightly distracted (not by the race I might add!)  Must admit I ended up fast forwarding the last dozen or so laps and really missed very little.  No way was that deserving of the 'F1 1000' spectacle. 

As a race I can't really even think of the usual heroes and zeroes. 

I'll give a punt:

Heroes:

Hamilton- From off the pace in practice to dominating the race.

Albon- He looks like he is fairly quickly adjusting to F1, a good race indeed.

Zeroes:

Stewards- I thought first lap incidents were looked upon more leniently? 

The circuit- A really bad track.  Bahrain a couple of weeks ago was a brilliant race and it was followed up by this borefest.
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Luke on April 14, 2019, 09:01:25 AM
I must admit Scott, I cannot even bring myself to acknowledge the FW42.  Yes, I will support the team but the car is so bad I barely recognise it as being in the race.  Thankfully the TV crews are the same so I am not forced to see it too often  :'(
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Alonsofan on April 14, 2019, 09:12:29 AM
Winners

Hamilton - Good from the start.

Mercedes - Most dominant start for a team since 1992.

Russell - 3-0 over his team mate.

Albon - Great result from a pit lane start.

Losers

Bottas - You made my daughter cry, where is your bad boy attitude gone??

Ferrari - Weird calls throughout the race and where has your pre season pace gone??

Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: rmassart on April 14, 2019, 11:30:24 AM
Nothing much more to add.  But Bottas was not error free.  He screwed up the start otherwise he might now be leading the championship!  And it meant he slowed Vettel enough to enable Leclerc to get the jump on him. I think that's why Ferrari felt team orders were acceptable.

I thought this was going to be a great race given the tiny qualifying differences within the top teams. Turned out to be a snooze.
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Willy on April 14, 2019, 06:36:55 PM
Wins
Hamilton. once again the class of the field.
Merc. good strategy, well played.
Leclerc. Holding his comments on his retarded team and the orders.

Lose
Ferrari. Screwed up Leclerc with stupid team orders.
Liberty Media. Wasting the occasion of the 1000th GP on any location other than Silverstone.
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: TimmyTime on April 14, 2019, 06:55:11 PM
Winners

Hamilton, Easy victory

Albon, Drive of the day!

Loser's

Ferrari/Vettel/Leclerc, Poor team choices, too many mistakes, cowardly to move over.

Kvyat, took out both McLaren's  >:D

Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: cosworth151 on April 14, 2019, 07:21:32 PM
My schedule didn't allow to watch it live (or be in the Chat Room). I just finished watching the race.

Heroes:

Hamilton & Merc - For reasons already covered.

Zeroes:

My Grid Game picks  :'(

Sky's coverage - At the end of the race, when about the only contested position was Albon & Grosjean racing for the last points paying position, we were treated to things like a close up of the label on Lewis's left glove, people jumping up & down in the Merc garage and the like. They almost actually showed Albon & Grosjean cross the line, but jerked the camera away at the last second to show Kimi's Alfa.
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Scott on April 14, 2019, 07:48:57 PM
I also found the camera work and direction poor.
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Luke on April 14, 2019, 08:01:00 PM
There were some moments where the camera was at one end of the home straight and they kept jerking to the final corner to see who was pitting.  It was really amateur.
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Willy on April 14, 2019, 08:49:21 PM
Yes...some sad camera coverage. Nice aerial camera work tho, wasn't sure if it was a drone or a helicopter.
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Alianora La Canta on April 14, 2019, 11:02:14 PM
Heroes

Edit: There were some. I just forgot I hadn't recorded them and got carried away with the zeroes.

Hamilton: Well-converted.

Norris: For keeping his sense of humour after basically getting his race demolished after 700 metres.

Perez: for getting points in a car that really wasn't point-worthy this time around.

Zeroes

Channel 4 - Stop putting spoilers just before the ad breaks! It worked much better without them last race, why did you reverse that? Even Ferrari's strategists are better at strategy than those at Channel 4, it seems...

Ferrari - This is the second time in three races that one of your drivers has come up with a better strategy than your strategists. The worrying thing is that this time, both of your drivers independently came up with different better strategies than your strategists. OK, they were mutually incompatible with each other, but given that, between the four of them, they covered pretty much every vaguely plausible option, picking the worst two out of the four to deploy is unimpressive. At this rate, I'm going to end up doing their strategy for them and they will not like the results!

The camera crews - There's a distinction between "arty" and "neither use nor ornament". Please find it.
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Calman on April 15, 2019, 03:16:10 AM
Once again, you have covered most of the obvious reactions.

However, how about Kimi ... He Haas to be in the mix, for a yankie doodle doable race!!!!!  .... I bet he is having more fun than LeClerc did today in his old seat.

Also, a lonely, but rewarding result for Danny Ric ... and yes, I am also very pleased for Alex Albon!!!!

So, does Bottas now play "rear gunner" for Hamilton, ever if Ferrari are showing zero percentage of a threat to date???

Best Regards,
Cal :)
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Scott on April 15, 2019, 03:43:00 AM
Until it’s mathematically impossible for Lewis to lose the championship, Mercedes will err towards Lewis for all strategy decisions.  Lewis can mess that up himself. 

As will Ferrari towards Vettel
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: TimmyTime on April 15, 2019, 07:36:54 AM
I do think Mercedes allow free racing and team preference has to be earned.
This is clearly not the way at Ferrari.

So I question, whose racing ideals are more successful??
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: monty on April 15, 2019, 10:44:10 AM
Many of us agreed that Ferrari would favour Vettel but so far their decision making has not only been unfair to Leclerc, it has surely reduced Ferrari's Constructor Championship position. It seems to me that if they had not made Leclerc slow to allow Vettel to overtake they had a good chance of getting third and fourth in the race??
I was still disappointed by Verstappen's foul mouthed whinging during Quali. It is a real shame RBR do not have another driver to really challenge boy-wonder. Perhaps when Albon replaces Gasly..... ;)
It was a real shame that such a little shunt ruined the race for both McLarens and the Torro Rosso but I think Kvyatt was treated far too harshly.
Great to see Danny Ric in the points but another car failure for Hulk is worrying.
Kimi did what Kimi does  :good:
Thumbs up for Perez; thumbs down for Stroll.
Williams..... oh dear, oh dear, dear. Fingers crossed Patrick Head can help them find something fast!
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Scott on April 15, 2019, 01:21:34 PM
As to the Kvyat incident, I watched it a few times and IMO both Kvyat and Norris had “moments” that needed a sudden correction, and all would have been fine, but Sainz was unfortunately in between them and was pinched.  I put no more blame on Kvyat than the other two.  It was just racing.  No penalty needed.
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: John S on April 15, 2019, 01:57:33 PM
As to the Kvyat incident, I watched it a few times and IMO both Kvyat and Norris had “moments” that needed a sudden correction, and all would have been fine, but Sainz was unfortunately in between them and was pinched.  I put no more blame on Kvyat than the other two.  It was just racing.  No penalty needed.

Yeah I agree it was a racing incident and not only that the penalty was also too harsh even if he was guilty. Think they only gave it as it took both Macca's out of the running.

Lando bears responsibility to be more careful when coming back onto the track. For me though Sainz with his experience should have been more aware that his trajectory was very vulnerable with Lando returning in front and Kvyat to the side  - you can't win a race on the first lap but you can certainly lose one by keeping your foot in at the wrong time.   
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Alianora La Canta on April 15, 2019, 07:41:24 PM
I thought it was initially Stroll's fault for clipping Kyvat, and everything beyond that was simply dominoes falling out of place. So when Kyvat was penalised for the crime of being hit by a driver who'd failed to anticipate what was ahead, I was a little puzzled.
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: rmassart on April 15, 2019, 07:53:28 PM
I also wondered whether Kvyat got a knock from behind before taking out the two McLarens. But, as already noted by others, the camera work was so shoddy that they never really showed the incident from a clear angle. Did you actually see Kvyat get clipped by stroll?
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Alianora La Canta on April 15, 2019, 08:00:22 PM
I also wondered whether Kvyat got a knock from behind before taking out the two McLarens. But, as already noted by others, the camera work was so shoddy that they never really showed the incident from a clear angle. Did you actually see Kvyat get clipped by stroll?

I believe one of the eleventy million start replays was from Stroll's camera, and to me that camera was the one that indicated he started the whole mess. Admittedly, it appeared to be a minor misjudgement of brakes, thus probably not deserving of a penalty... ...but I also believe it exonerates Kyvat. It's hard to avoid a forward crash if there's a nosecone under your diffuser.
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Jericoke on April 16, 2019, 02:35:29 AM
Had some trouble with my cable box this weekend,but finally watched the race.

Heroes:

Mercedes has running an F1 team down to a science.  For the future of the sport, in 2020 they need to disperse the major players at Mercedes to the other teams!

The double stacked pit stop was just showing off, it was a thing of beauty, and I'm not sure what they can do to top it!

Zeroes:

Ferrari.  In the 90s and 2000s Todt ran Ferrari in a way that became the prototype of how to run a winning Formula One team.  Focus on reliability.  Focus on getting everyone on the same page.  Once you have those two things, everything else comes together.  They just haven't been the same since.

Neither Hero nor Zero:  the 1000th F1 race wasn't the best of all time, but it wasn't a total snoozefest either.  We've been spoiled with a couple of interesting races to start 2019, so a fairly typical race just seems dull.  Bottas and LeClerc both made us think 2019 was going to be something new, but Lewis is determined to become the best of all time.
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Calman on April 16, 2019, 02:52:29 AM
Bottas and LeClerc both made us think 2019 was going to be something new, but Lewis is determined to become the best of all time.
Well, Bottas may fall back into his "typical" quiet/friendly support role for Hamilton, but I don't feel the same outcome for LeClerc.  I can't believe he is looking to play a support role for Vettel and there will likely be some important team calls at Ferrari in the races ahead.

As for the 1000th race, I think Sky Sports did EVERYTHING to subdue the event, partly as it's not the genuine 1000th F1 race (and they couldn't help but mention this several times, like a poor downplayed submission).

Even Mr Liberty couldn't bring himself to mention it, as he just typically gave the old bla bla bla amazing event ... bla bla bla .... spectacular venue ... bla bla bla ... how does my mustache look on camera ... bla bla bla.


Best Regards,
Cal :)
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Dare on April 16, 2019, 04:00:12 AM
Bottas and LeClerc both made us think 2019 was going to be something new, but Lewis is determined to become the best of all time.
Well, Bottas may fall back into his "typical" quiet/friendly support role for Hamilton, but I don't feel the same outcome for LeClerc.  I can't believe he is looking to play a support role for Vettel and there will likely be some important team calls at Ferrari in the races ahead.

As for the 1000th race, I think Sky Sports did EVERYTHING to subdue the event, partly as it's not the genuine 1000th F1 race (and they couldn't help but mention this several times, like a poor downplayed submission).

Even Mr Liberty couldn't bring himself to mention it, as he just typically gave the old bla bla bla amazing event ... bla bla bla .... spectacular venue ... bla bla bla ... how does my mustache look on camera ... bla bla bla.


Best Regards,
Cal :)


Speaking of mustaches as bad as Vettel looked in a beard
he looks ten times worse in his stache. It needs to go
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Calman on April 16, 2019, 06:07:29 AM
Bottas and LeClerc both made us think 2019 was going to be something new, but Lewis is determined to become the best of all time.
Well, Bottas may fall back into his "typical" quiet/friendly support role for Hamilton, but I don't feel the same outcome for LeClerc.  I can't believe he is looking to play a support role for Vettel and there will likely be some important team calls at Ferrari in the races ahead.

As for the 1000th race, I think Sky Sports did EVERYTHING to subdue the event, partly as it's not the genuine 1000th F1 race (and they couldn't help but mention this several times, like a poor downplayed submission).

Even Mr Liberty couldn't bring himself to mention it, as he just typically gave the old bla bla bla amazing event ... bla bla bla .... spectacular venue ... bla bla bla ... how does my mustache look on camera ... bla bla bla.


Best Regards,
Cal :)


Speaking of mustaches as bad as Vettel looked in a beard
he looks ten times worse in his stache. It needs to go

Glad I am not alone in that assessment Dare!!! ...
https://www.gpwizard.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,21604.msg134782.html#msg134782

Best Regards,
Cal :)
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Scott on April 16, 2019, 09:09:27 AM
Yeah, he’s starting to look like an 80’s porn star.  :DntKnw: :fool:
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: monty on April 16, 2019, 02:54:42 PM
Quote
Yeah, he’s starting to look like an 80’s porn star.
Scott; you do realise that this says something about you.......? It says you are so old you were watching porn in the 80's  ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Scott on April 16, 2019, 05:54:05 PM
Er, uh...don’t know what you’re talking about...really! :P
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Calman on April 16, 2019, 06:09:34 PM
Things are getting hairy in this topic now!!!  :-[

Best Regards,
Cal :)
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: cosworth151 on April 16, 2019, 07:04:23 PM
I'm sure that Scott was just going by what he saw in the movie Boogie Nights.   ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Calman on April 16, 2019, 08:44:15 PM
... I thought "Boogie Nights" was the code words given to Hamilton, when he is permitted to use Party Mode in Bahrain or Singapore???  :confused:

Best Regards,
Cal :)
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: rmassart on April 17, 2019, 05:01:15 PM
I just watched the highlights and I hadn't realised that Ferrari actually messed up twice in trying to maximise points for Vettel and thereby losing points for the team. The first were the team orders. It probably cost the team 4th place.

Second was the last lap when RBR pulled in Gasly to get the point for fastest lap. Ferrari should have covered this and called in Leclerc who would surely have beaten Gasly's time, but that risked taking the point for fastest lap from Vettel and giving it to Leclerc. Instead they lost it to another team!!!

Terrible calls from Ferrari for the team as a whole. They deserve to have a washout season on this form.
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Luke on April 17, 2019, 05:04:31 PM
Autosport/Gerry Anderson (who already had a bee in his bonnet about Binotto having to do too much) is already suggesting that pressure is piling on Ferrari's Team Principal. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chinese GP Hero's and Zero's
Post by: Alianora La Canta on April 21, 2019, 02:01:34 AM
Of course it is - pressure always mounts on a Ferrari team principal who isn't winning, especially when it can't easily be pinned on a specific other party.

Unfortunately, I feel Ferrari is in a readjustment period and is slightly in denial about it. It's not in a position to rush that process because this would require it to acknowledge the pre-season ideas of how things will work won't hold (an idea it liked and doesn't quite want to admit can be replaced with a better option). The thing must take its course - even if that course gets ugly. Even if I - and probably most people in this thread - could state with confidence what the new plan needs to look like. Sorry.