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Title: Spec Racing.
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on May 06, 2019, 10:31:05 PM
F1 already announced the coming of a spec transmission. Now they are announcung a spec braking system.

https://www.racefans.net/2019/05/06/analysis-the-impact-of-f1s-standard-brake-system-and-wheels-in-2021/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+f1fanatic+%28RaceFans+-+Independent+Motorsport+Coverage%29 (https://www.racefans.net/2019/05/06/analysis-the-impact-of-f1s-standard-brake-system-and-wheels-in-2021/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+f1fanatic+%28RaceFans+-+Independent+Motorsport+Coverage%29)
Title: Re: Spec Racing.
Post by: cosworth151 on May 07, 2019, 05:17:35 PM
How can F1 continue to claim to be the pinnacle of automotive tech and the birthplace of new auto tech and use spec parts in critical systems?

The article states:

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The list is quite short and for the large part will go unnoticed by the fans and teams.

The fans and the teams don't notice gearboxes & brakes? Really?  :fool:
Title: Re: Spec Racing.
Post by: Jericoke on May 07, 2019, 05:54:33 PM
How can F1 continue to claim to be the pinnacle of automotive tech and the birthplace of new auto tech and use spec parts in critical systems?

The article states:

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The list is quite short and for the large part will go unnoticed by the fans and teams.

The fans and the teams don't notice gearboxes & brakes? Really?  :fool:

Can you rank the teams' gearboxes and brakes?  I can't. 

I would assume that Mercedes are the best in both cases, but Stroll and Perez consistently get great starts, maybe their transmissions are better?  As for brakes... no idea. 

I love the idea of each and every part of an F1 car being unique and carefully crafted as part of a greater whole.  However, if everyone is spending $5 million to produce virtually identical transmissions, how does that serve the sport?
Title: Re: Spec Racing.
Post by: John S on May 07, 2019, 09:56:34 PM
Brakes are a crucial differentiator, how many times have we seen trouble from one team or another at circuits with braking issues.

I'm fairly sure Renault, Haas and some others had problems with their brakes at many points over the Baku weekend, I half expected the Renaults not to finish the race because of it.

 
Title: Re: Spec Racing.
Post by: Jericoke on May 07, 2019, 10:04:28 PM
Brakes are a crucial differentiator, how many times have we seen trouble from one team or another at circuits with braking issues.

I'm fairly sure Renault, Haas and some others had problems with their brakes at many points over the Baku weekend, I half expected the Renaults not to finish the race because of it.

 

It's true that brakes are big differentiators, but a lot of time the difference is how thick the brake pad/discs are, and it's a gamble to reduce unsprung weight, and how quickly the mechanism can activate.

I'm not opposed to the idea of everyone having to design each and every piece of the car.  I just don't see how the sport can sustain itself when one  or two teams  are guaranteed to have the best of everything.  It seems unlikely that Williams will suddenly have the best brakes on the grid and start getting podiums.
Title: Re: Spec Racing.
Post by: cosworth151 on May 08, 2019, 03:52:57 PM
I recall a few years ago that Mercedes was using two types of brakes. If memory serves (not a sure thing at my age), Hamilton wanted Brembo & Rosberg favored Carbon Industries.

It's not a matter of teams having to design every part of a car. They can purchase components from a variety of suppliers. This keeps costs down & still allows innovation. Without that, F1 cars would still have 5 speed sticks.


Title: Re: Spec Racing.
Post by: Alianora La Canta on May 08, 2019, 08:48:04 PM
In fact the current system is that brakes have to be bought from one of a set number of homologated suppliers (who have shown they can consistently meet expected safety and performance yardsticks and are willing to pay the test fees). They are also not allowed to avoid supplying anyone, unless there's a good reason (e.g. unpaid debts), preventing one team from hogging all the good components.

All this does is reduce choice, favour drivers with whatever style of brake gets picked and increase costs.