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Title: Silly season - usually F1 Teams & drivers - now engines maybe??
Post by: John S on July 07, 2019, 02:34:07 PM
Seems Williams may be in the market for more than just a new engineering boss, a change of engine may also be on the cards. - Good move or shot in the dark? Time will tell.

https://f1i.com/news/347146-williams-seeking-to-switch-to-renault-engines-in-2020.html
Title: Re: Silly season - usually F1 Teams & drivers - now engines maybe??
Post by: guest3164 on July 07, 2019, 05:45:12 PM
In a way it would make sense with the Pat Fry rumours that have been going around.
Title: Re: Silly season - usually F1 Teams & drivers - now engines maybe??
Post by: monty on July 08, 2019, 02:18:52 PM
I guess we will never know the truth but I doubt very much that Williams would choose to move away from Mercedes power; it might be that Mercedes decide not to let them have ICE units.
Then there are lots of questions; do Renault have the capacity to supply another team?; could it be that another team want Mercedes and therefore Williams are going to lose Mercedes power; if this is the case - which Renault team want to change to Mercedes power?
Oh the intrigue!!
Title: Re: Silly season - usually F1 Teams & drivers - now engines maybe??
Post by: guest3164 on July 08, 2019, 04:27:05 PM
Well, it's got to be McLaren, unless Renault themselves have had enough of their own power units  :D
Title: Re: Silly season - usually F1 Teams & drivers - now engines maybe??
Post by: Scott on July 08, 2019, 05:14:31 PM
Well, it's got to be McLaren, unless Renault themselves have had enough of their own power units  :D
  :DD :DD :DD. Beat me to it  :D
Title: Re: Silly season - usually F1 Teams & drivers - now engines maybe??
Post by: Jericoke on July 08, 2019, 06:02:59 PM
It's possible that Haas and/or Alpha are getting tired of Ferrari hand-me-downs and see Mercedes hand-me-downs as more desirable.

I can see Haas doing that, they had a partnership to learn F1 from Ferrari, maybe they've learned as much as they can from a non-championship team and are looking for better mentors. 

Alternatively, there seems to be a deeper pool of 'Mercedes affiliated' drivers than 'Ferrari affiliated' drivers.  If Haas is tired of K-Mag and Grosjean, they might be looking for drivers that only come with engine contracts.
Title: Re: Silly season - usually F1 Teams & drivers - now engines maybe??
Post by: Scott on July 14, 2019, 10:34:06 AM
I think there is more involved in the Alfa ties to Ferrari than just the engine deal - they are likely obliged to take the Ferrari engines.  Sauber still runs the team, but their Ferrari ties run deep and I doubt they could survive without the Ferrari support.
Title: Re: Silly season - usually F1 Teams & drivers - now engines maybe??
Post by: Warmwater on July 14, 2019, 05:24:32 PM
Williams problem is not the engine, it's everything else.
Title: Re: Silly season - usually F1 Teams & drivers - now engines maybe??
Post by: Jericoke on July 15, 2019, 04:32:07 AM
I think there is more involved in the Alfa ties to Ferrari than just the engine deal - they are likely obliged to take the Ferrari engines.  Sauber still runs the team, but their Ferrari ties run deep and I doubt they could survive without the Ferrari support.

Certainly I agree that Haas is more likely to dump Ferrari than Alfa is, but Sauber does have a history with Mercedes.

(I don't seriously think either team is looking to dump Ferrari, but just for the purposes of conversation, can't rule it out out of hand)
Title: Re: Silly season - usually F1 Teams & drivers - now engines maybe??
Post by: guest3164 on July 15, 2019, 06:29:12 PM
Apparently this is all just idle speculation and Williams are engaged in very positive talks with Mercedes about continuing their partnership.  With Toto Wolff involved, I would be surprised to see it any other way.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/144723/williams-close-to-extending-mercedes-engine-supply (https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/144723/williams-close-to-extending-mercedes-engine-supply)
Title: Re: Silly season - usually F1 Teams & drivers - now engines maybe??
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on July 15, 2019, 07:30:08 PM
The issues might be about what they get from Merc besides the engines. How much tech and design support Merc is willing to supply vs what Williams wants.
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