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Title: 2020 Schedule
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on July 08, 2019, 05:29:18 AM
There are tentatively 23 races scheduled for 2020 so it seems inevitable that some will be trimmed. Race Fans speculates which ones, what do you think?

https://www.racefans.net/2019/07/07/five-races-three-spaces-which-rounds-should-stay-on-the-2020-f1-calendar/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+f1fanatic+%28RaceFans+-+Independent+Motorsport+Coverage%29 (https://www.racefans.net/2019/07/07/five-races-three-spaces-which-rounds-should-stay-on-the-2020-f1-calendar/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+f1fanatic+%28RaceFans+-+Independent+Motorsport+Coverage%29)
Title: Re: 2020 Schedule
Post by: John S on July 08, 2019, 11:54:19 AM
This all boils down to politics and money - or lack of it.

Monza is bound to stay, there's political will to use some government money to keep it and it's probably all sorted apart from some detail.

Silverstone is a lot harder to call. It's the best supported race on calendar, hundreds of thousands attend year on year, but that in itself does not generate enough to pay the race fee - oh and zero political backing.
Difficult to see any fee discount lasting more than a year or 2, might not be enough to keep it next year.
My feeling is track may want it to drop off for a year, to show Liberty what its missing, and try to get better terms in future years. Could be mistake as this will definitely accelerate London docklands GP talks. 

Spanish GP is doomed. Not enough backing either monetarily or politically.

German race I feel will go ahead, some compromises will be made to keep it because Brit GP will probably not happen. Mercedes can put money on table in Germany but can't bankroll British GP - isn't politics great.  ;) 

Now Autodromo Rodriguez future race lies almost certainly in the hands of Carlos Slim, he brought the race to Mexico and it all depends if his love affair with F1 is over in face of the change in political climate.
My guess is he is waiting until the spotlight is on Mexico nearer to this year's race to show his hand. Could go either way as money itself is not the real issue. He may want to be seen as peoples champion, or blame political opponents for its loss.   
Title: Re: 2020 Schedule
Post by: Robem64 on July 08, 2019, 01:43:34 PM
Wonder if pre-season testing will still happen at Barcelona if they lose the race?
Title: Re: 2020 Schedule
Post by: monty on July 08, 2019, 02:12:15 PM
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some compromises will be made to keep it because Brit GP will probably not happen

why do you think British GP will not happen? Do you know something different to the BRDC published statement 'we are all friends again and everything will be OK'
Title: Re: 2020 Schedule
Post by: cosworth151 on July 08, 2019, 02:50:47 PM
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some compromises will be made to keep it because Brit GP will probably not happen

why do you think British GP will not happen? Do you know something different to the BRDC published statement 'we are all friends again and everything will be OK'

It's like when a team says that a certain driver's place with the team is "absolutely secure" is when you know that he's a goner.  ;)

I think that Barcelona is gone. It might keep pre-season testing as a consolation prize. Still, I wouldn't be surprised to see that move to Paul Ricard. It's a much better test track than it is a race track.

Silverstone, Hockenheim & Mexico City should stay. They're great venues with very good fan backing. Still, in F1, things like that count for nothing.

Monza is probably safe.
Title: Re: 2020 Schedule
Post by: John S on July 08, 2019, 03:24:53 PM
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some compromises will be made to keep it because Brit GP will probably not happen

why do you think British GP will not happen? Do you know something different to the BRDC published statement 'we are all friends again and everything will be OK'

The last thing I can remember being reported is Silverstone bitching that any future London based GP (European GP or whatever title) will reduce their ability to make the British GP sums add up. Reading between the lines I surmise that the drop in race fee is not substantial enough going forward a few years, hence the suggestion in my post that there is still some gulf between BRDC & Liberty signing a contract.

This is purely my personal opinion but has anyone reported that an announcement is expected this weekend about a contract signing?
Of course I could be totally wrong and indeed hope I am. 

Are you able to post a link to this BRDC published statement, is it recent?   
Title: Re: 2020 Schedule
Post by: monty on July 08, 2019, 03:53:49 PM
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Are you able to post a link to this BRDC published statement, is it recent? 
Just something I read last night:-
https://www.planetf1.com/news/f1-and-brdc-agree-new-silverstone-deal-report/
Title: Re: 2020 Schedule
Post by: John S on July 08, 2019, 09:29:35 PM
Looks like I stand corrected Monty.

However I'm surprised most other trusted F1 sites are not reporting this, maybe it's not as certain as the very short piece from Daily Mail would like it to be.  :DntKnw:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/index.html

We all live in hope though.
Title: Re: 2020 Schedule
Post by: Dare on July 08, 2019, 11:47:50 PM
I'm more for keeping and maybe adding some European tracks.
After all that's where F1 started. Bring back San Marino. Too
many Asian races
Title: Re: 2020 Schedule
Post by: Alianora La Canta on July 09, 2019, 12:24:52 AM
I doubt Mexico is happening because the government withdrew its funding, in favour of a new railway line that is to connect several areas of the country together and expected to have a bigger impact on tourism.

Spain is in a similar position because Catalonia isn't popular in Madrid right now.

Germany and Britain are both unhappy with the amount Liberty wants to charge for races. Britain, reading between the lines, needs less of a discount than Germany, but both require one.

Monza, I believe, is a formality - but only if neither Spain nor Mexico comes up with surprise funding sources.

I think there's more chance of us being a race short than a race long, especially since I'm not 100% confident of Thailand or Holland happening yet. Thailand's race organisation is less organised than it looks at face value, and Zaandvoort will need a lot of modification that hasn't been agreed fully yet.
Title: Re: 2020 Schedule
Post by: John S on July 10, 2019, 02:25:43 PM
Well British GP is staying on the calendar.  :yahoo:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/silverstone-british-gp-contract-2024/4491955/
Title: Re: 2020 Schedule
Post by: cosworth151 on July 10, 2019, 02:57:57 PM
Good news indeed!   :yahoo:
Title: Re: 2020 Schedule
Post by: Scott on July 10, 2019, 07:12:25 PM
 :good: :good:

Good track, good crowds and a decent chance of rain  :D ;)
Title: Re: 2020 Schedule
Post by: Alianora La Canta on July 11, 2019, 06:39:37 AM
Excellent!

So that's one race on the calendar, with a second (Monza) likely. I wait to see if Liberty manages to get race #3 on the calendar.
Title: Re: 2020 Schedule
Post by: John S on August 07, 2019, 06:28:47 PM
It seems Mexico is staying on the calendar for the next 3 years.  :good: Always a good atmosphere at the event with a full house of committed fans, I'm really pleased to see it stay.

Appears the wealthy backers of the Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez revamp, & F1 drivers Perez and Gutiérrez in the last few years, have looked in their pockets and found enough spare to put the race on.  :yahoo:

https://www.thecheckeredflag.co.uk/2019/08/mexico-set-to-stay-in-formula-1-with-new-contract/
Title: Re: 2020 Schedule
Post by: cosworth151 on August 07, 2019, 08:53:36 PM
That's very good news! It's a fine track with a very enthusiastic fan base.  :yahoo:
Title: Re: 2020 Schedule
Post by: Jericoke on August 08, 2019, 02:14:16 AM
I'm glad to see Mexico is staying on the calendar. Great race, great venue, great fans.

Should be a prototype for other new races.
Title: Re: 2020 Schedule
Post by: Alianora La Canta on August 13, 2019, 04:40:49 PM
Between these, and Spain getting a 1-year extension, I guess the question now is: which of Zanndvoort or Hanoi might not be ready for 2020? (I suspect Hanoi).
Title: Re: 2020 Schedule
Post by: Robem64 on August 14, 2019, 07:43:27 AM
Between these, and Spain getting a 1-year extension, I guess the question now is: which of Zanndvoort or Hanoi might not be ready for 2020? (I suspect Hanoi).

They're already selling tickets for Hanoi even though the specific date is not confirmed. Has it down as April 2020 on ticket sites.
Title: Re: 2020 Schedule
Post by: cosworth151 on August 14, 2019, 04:06:28 PM
One is a great, historic venue with an outstanding track and a huge, enthusiastic fan base. The other is yet another Tilke yawn factory in a place with no racing history and no fan base. Of course Liberty will go with Hanoi.
Title: Re: 2020 Schedule
Post by: Alianora La Canta on August 14, 2019, 06:12:38 PM
Between these, and Spain getting a 1-year extension, I guess the question now is: which of Zanndvoort or Hanoi might not be ready for 2020? (I suspect Hanoi).

That doesn't guarantee anything except a snarl-up if it eventually gets dropped through lack of readiness - Korea nearly got dropped (several rules had to be bent to allow it to run that might not be now) and it had been selling tickets for several months prior to the event.

They're already selling tickets for Hanoi even though the specific date is not confirmed. Has it down as April 2020 on ticket sites.