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Title: F1 Race result maybe uncertain for days after GP with new FIA deep dive checks
Post by: John S on March 27, 2021, 10:33:30 AM
Seems Ferrari fuel flow saga furore has prompted a more intrusive tech check system to be enacted.

All those who cried foul at secret Ferrari fuel flow deal are rewarded with even more draconian post race check system.  :swoon:

Be careful what you holler about, FIA reply may make your eyes water more than original outrage.   :D   

https://www.racefans.net/2021/03/27/fia-to-conduct-new-deeper-random-post-race-technical-checks-on-f1-cars/
Title: Re: F1 Race result maybe uncertain for days after GP with new FIA deep dive checks
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on March 27, 2021, 04:16:21 PM
Wait for the brouhaha the first time they disqualify a winner or even a podium finisher.
Title: Re: F1 Race result maybe uncertain for days after GP with new FIA deep dive checks
Post by: Jericoke on March 27, 2021, 09:12:55 PM
The space shuttle went into orbit with 2 k of memory.  If we need to spend weeks/months deciphering code for an F1 car, maybe it's time to put a hard cap on how much memory an F1 car can use.  Everything else is regulated, why not give F1 cars a single ARM chip with a floppy drive?  It would require some fantastic innovation which would have real world applications, while making it much easier for an F1 car to be scrutineered.

It would ALSO bring back the mythical reliance on driver skill over team programming ability.
Title: Re: F1 Race result maybe uncertain for days after GP with new FIA deep dive checks
Post by: Warmwater on April 04, 2021, 09:08:41 AM
Can anyone tell me how many regulations there are in F1?
There must be a few million.    >:(
Title: Re: F1 Race result maybe uncertain for days after GP with new FIA deep dive checks
Post by: Alianora La Canta on April 04, 2021, 10:22:43 AM
Even the FIA can't answer that one, because they don't keep track of all their race briefings and informal notes that also act as regulations but never get formally noted as such. (Why yes, I do have a bee in my bonnet about this one, as someone on a different forum moaned at me earlier this week...)
Title: Re: F1 Race result maybe uncertain for days after GP with new FIA deep dive checks
Post by: John S on April 04, 2021, 12:28:29 PM
Even the FIA can't answer that one, because they don't keep track of all their race briefings and informal notes that also act as regulations but never get formally noted as such. (Why yes, I do have a bee in my bonnet about this one, as someone on a different forum moaned at me earlier this week...)

Alia is the bee in your proverbial bonnet:
(a) lack of proper FIA records, so what are the actual regs?
(b) the fact they change things on the hoof in so many ways after rule sets are fixed for year?
(c) fundamental opposition to this deep dive scheme? -
        [1] because it looks more like a hunting expedition that assumes teams are always up to something, i.e. cheating, but with no real idea there's anything wrong
        [2] it's cunning plan to try to find out just how the different teams work software, as they (the FIA) ain't really got a clue.

............ Or something else entirely?

I'm sure many on here would like your more detailed opinion, Alia, I know I should.
Title: Re: F1 Race result maybe uncertain for days after GP with new FIA deep dive checks
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on April 04, 2021, 01:50:11 PM
 :good: :good:

Always interested in Alia's take on anything F1...or in her travelogues as well.  :D
Title: Re: F1 Race result maybe uncertain for days after GP with new FIA deep dive checks
Post by: cosworth151 on April 04, 2021, 05:35:14 PM
It seems that F1 is trying to move toward a NASCAR style model. NASCAR has long bragged that "the rules are written in pencil, not ink."
Title: Re: F1 Race result maybe uncertain for days after GP with new FIA deep dive checks
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on April 04, 2021, 06:26:06 PM
NASCAR also has a rule that whoever crosses the line first is the winner, regardless of any rules infraction discovered later. Big Bill France didn't want to have a small print article on the back page of the sports section a couple days later announce a new winner.
Title: Re: F1 Race result maybe uncertain for days after GP with new FIA deep dive checks
Post by: Alianora La Canta on April 05, 2021, 01:08:19 PM
Technically, the FIA were allowed to do deep dives before - the Ferrari investigation is an example, involving at least one, and likely two separate, confiscation(s) and deep dive(s) into the 2019 engine. It was just that in practise, they only did it if they saw a surface sign that something was amiss. Another good example is the BAR 2006 car - they did a deep dive, but only when scrutineers discovered a draining problem on one car in round 4 of the season. That deep dive resulted in BAR getting disqualified for two races, but the disqualification from the round where the draining problem was discovered was the prompt.

Now, they're proposing it as a pre-emptive measure. Still perfectly legal. However, the debacle of Bahrain may will make teams dubious as to the good-faith nature of the FIA's conduct. Remember they changed the rule regarding Turn 4 three times (albeit twice in the same document) on a single weekend, the last of these during the race (and then Michael quite transparently lied about it). Add to this that the drivers were apparently barred from downtalking any aspect of F1 at the start of the weekend (a futile task, I think), and the impression given is of Stefano Domenicalli being given supreme power (well, co-supreme power with Jean Todt) without knowing how to use it for psuedopolitical effectiveness - or to the benefit of Liberty (his organisation). Chase Carey was a bit savvier. (You may wonder why I'm talking about Stefano primarily. It's because Liberty and the FIA agreed to present a united front regarding F1 last year. Jean would not have allowed himself such naive excesses; he would have selected the targets of his ire much more carefully, and then used a more precise approach in hitting them).
Title: Re: F1 Race result maybe uncertain for days after GP with new FIA deep dive checks
Post by: Scott on April 16, 2021, 10:55:07 PM
I just want to know if Racing Point is an Aston Martin or Mercedes ;)
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