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Title: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: Dare on March 17, 2009, 03:39:46 PM
Here we go again

Fox Sports


PARIS (AP) - Formula One's championship will be decided by the number of race wins and not accumulated points.

Governing body FIA decided Tuesday that the current points system will remain in effect to determine the driver's title in the case of a tie, with points also determining the order of the drivers who finish the season behind the overall champion.
Under the new system, Ferrari's Felipe Massa would have won the 2008 championship instead of Lewis Hamilton of McLaren. The Brazilian driver won six grand prix races to Hamilton's five.

The 10 F1 teams had been looking to change the points to a 12-9-7 scoring system for first through third place, from its current 10-9-8 allocation. F1 boss Bernie Ecclestone had initially preferred a medals tally, but FIA approved Ecclestone's revised proposal, which will not affect the constructors' championship.

FIA's World Motor Sports Council also approved further regulation changes to decrease costs in the face of the worldwide economic crisis.

"All teams will have the option to compete with cars built and operated within a stringent cost cap," the council said.

A proposed cap of $42 million would cover expenditures of "any kind" and to give such cars greater technical freedom. That would entail "a more aerodynamically efficient upper body, movable wings and an engine which is not subject to a rev limit or a development freeze."

Car weights will be published following Saturday's qualifying session and would rename tire grades for better clarity to spectators. Drivers must also be available for further autograph sessions and better media availability.

F1 teams will also be limited to eight one-day aerodynamic tests during the course of the season instead of a total ban on in-season testing, and allowed three one-day "young driver" tests featuring pilots who have not raced more than two GPs in the preceding 24 months.

The council, meeting before the start of the season-opening Australian Grand Prix on March 29, also rubber-stamped Brawn GP's purchase of Honda while waiving the new entry fee that usually accompanies a new team on the starting grid.
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: Scott on March 17, 2009, 07:32:52 PM
So a guy can have more points than the WDC?  What a load of crap.  Max and Bernie are a pair of morons.
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: Dare on March 17, 2009, 07:38:58 PM
So a guy can have more points than the WDC?  What a load of crap.  Max and Bernie are a pair of morons.


Unless the drivers have a tie in race wins,then
re revert back to the point system.If they
would have gone with rewarding first with more points
I could have lived with that.This is crap
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: John S on March 17, 2009, 07:59:32 PM
So a guy can have more points than the WDC?  What a load of crap.  Max and Bernie are a pair of morons.

It could be more than one with more points.............

                  so the WDC could be 3rd overall.  :crazy:   :crazy:   :crazy:   :swoon:

Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: FW14B on March 17, 2009, 08:32:05 PM
I come back from work feeling tired, read this and thought I was having a nightmare.  But no, this is worse, it is reality.  What on earth is happening to F1?  Crazy, crazy times. 
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: Ian on March 17, 2009, 08:42:31 PM
Nothing more to add to this string, except that it is a crap rule.
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: greener_09 on March 17, 2009, 10:27:22 PM
I cant believe their going ahead with this its a joke.May i join everyone else by saying its CRAP!
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: F1Charles on March 17, 2009, 11:59:50 PM
A Facebook group has been set up tonight as an online petition against the new changes

Anyone interested and has Facebook please go to http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=56613532878#/group.php?gid=56613532878
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: Steven Roy on March 18, 2009, 12:04:23 AM
I think Max has overdosed on his stupid pills.

I think Bernie is setting him up.  The more I think about this the more I think Bernie is trying to cause a breakaway and when the FIA and F1 can't meet their obligations Bernie will slide change his track and broadcast contracts to the breakaway.

The two tier F1 is insane.  Teams with no budget can run any technology they like.  So people who can't possibly test technology enough to ensure its safety can race it. 

The man is mental.
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: Scott on March 18, 2009, 09:07:03 AM
The only way a guy in second will fight for the win is if he is right behind the leader.  This is going to make the races more boring, not more exciting.

So FOTA had their points proposal swept aside by Max and Bernie.  They are really being marginalized.  I wonder how long they will sit and take it.  Now with the ridiculous budget cap idea that any team that stays under and IMPOSSIBLE budget can run anything they like.  I guess the major manufacturer's will start to have a few ex janitors on staff making $5/hr with titles like Aero Engineer and staff the motorhomes with 250 highly paid coffee servers with aerodynamic and mechanical engineering degrees (since motorhomes and hospitality budgets are separate).  What a load of crap.  With all these cost savings, the question remains, will the fans (especially), the track owners and sponsors all get more for less as well??  I didn't think so. 
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: monty on March 18, 2009, 10:50:57 AM
I saw Bernie interviewed. He said; 'we are in the entertainment business so we needed this change to make things more exciting'.
How does this make things more exciting?
All the drivers want to win.
If they actually dare to overtake in a robust way (yes, I'm talking about Hamilton) they get penalised and have the race win taken away from them!!!!

Now we have the real possibilty of someone lucking out on a few wins, not getting points in any other races but still going on to win the Championship. Think about it, in a season where wins may be shared by 4 or 5 of the favorites, then a mid-pack car keeps going when accidents or break-downs take out the favorites in 4 or 5 races and suddenly you get the most undeserving World Champion in history!
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: cosworth151 on March 18, 2009, 11:11:48 AM
This is insane! I never thought I see a dumber scoring set-up than the "Race to the Chase" that NASCAR started a few years ago, and the NHRA copied, but this takes the cake!

I haven't heard anybody outside of the FIA and FOM say anything positive about this hog wash. What the hell have these Bozos been smoking, anyway? :crazy:
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: Scott on March 18, 2009, 11:41:19 AM
Response from FOTA:

The FIA World Motor Sport Council today announced a raft of changes aimed at slashing the costs of competing on Formula One and bringing down the budget required for a two-car team to just33m Euros. The FIA announced that the cost reductions would 'make it easier for new teams to enter and also allow existing teams to participate on much reduced budgets should they so choose'.

The budget cap includes 'everything except the motor home' and therefore driver salaries are included as well as team personnel. The FIA plans to detail the regulations for 2010 shortly.

The following is a statement from the Formula One Teams' Association:

"With regard to the decisions taken today by the FIA World Council, FOTA would like to express its disappointment and concern at the fact that these have been taken in a unilateral manner."

"The framework of the regulations as defined by the FIA, to be applicable as from 2010, runs the risk of turning on its head the very essence of Formula One and the principles that make it one of the most popular and appealing sports."

"Given the timeframe and the way in which these modifications were decided upon, we feel it is necessary to study closely the new situation and to do everything, especially in these difficult times, to maintain a stable framework for the regulations without continuous upheaval, that can be perplexing and confusing for car manufacturers, teams, the public and sponsors."
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: AJM on March 18, 2009, 12:24:16 PM
i think it's a completely stupid idea! The revised points system proposed by FOTA was a much better solution as it rewarded more for a victory.

I also think the £30m budget cap introduced from 2010 is a stupid idea too...seems the rules are going to be split in two with teams deciding which camp they want to compete in

I hope we have a season like 1982 where no one driver won more than 2 races...that will really mess the new system up!  :D
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: Wizzo on March 18, 2009, 12:43:25 PM
Personally I think its a brilliant idea!

It shows that Bernie & Max can cast aside a system tried and tested over decades and come up with something better in a heartbeat.

I love the idea so much that I have sent them both a present. (http://www.gpwizard.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7981.msg36616#new)

Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: AJM on March 18, 2009, 04:01:44 PM
Personally I think its a brilliant idea!

It shows that Bernie & Max can cast aside a system tried and tested over decades and come up with something better in a heartbeat.

I love the idea so much that I have sent them both a present. (http://www.gpwizard.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7981.msg36616#new)



lol  :D
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: Ian on March 18, 2009, 07:06:09 PM
Brilliant Wiz, brilliant, lets hope they both use them.
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: John S on March 18, 2009, 07:22:31 PM

Great idea Wiz but it can't work, they will both be waiting for some one else to come up with the capital to fund the devices and that's after the supply of same has been put out to tender.  :crazy:
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: Scott on March 18, 2009, 07:42:22 PM
Personally I think its a brilliant idea!

It shows that Bernie & Max can cast aside a system tried and tested over decades and come up with something better in a heartbeat.

I love the idea so much that I have sent them both a present. (http://www.gpwizard.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7981.msg36616#new)



Send along a few of your jokes too, so they are more likely to use them
 :tease: :tease: :tease:
 


Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: Wizzo on March 18, 2009, 08:11:03 PM
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Send along a few of your jokes too, so they are more likely to use them

Thats twice now Mr SD - I demand to know your sock size!  >:D

 :D
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: John S on March 18, 2009, 08:19:49 PM
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Send along a few of your jokes too, so they are more likely to use them

Thats twice now Mr SD - I demand to know your sock size!  >:D

 :D

You'll have to watch out Scotty, I'm on a yellow card myself, our great and wise leader is a teensy bit sensitive about his top class comic material.  ;)
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: Scott on March 18, 2009, 09:06:57 PM
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Send along a few of your jokes too, so they are more likely to use them

Thats twice now Mr SD - I demand to know your sock size!  >:D

 :D

You'll have to watch out Scotty, I'm on a yellow card myself, our great and wise leader is a teensy bit sensitive about his top class comic material.  ;)

Oops, I'd better lay low for a while.   8)
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: Alianora La Canta on March 19, 2009, 12:36:33 AM
This is a particularly unimpressive set of regulations. Please could someone refer Max Mosley to the Clark and Champman Cups his predecesor set up in an attempt to establish an equivalency formula?

While there, can they also send them a copy of the 2008 season review DVD and the 2008 Sporting regulations, highlighting the major role two dodgy stewarding decisions in Massa's favour would have had on a championship structured this way?
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: cosworth151 on March 19, 2009, 01:26:48 PM
I just received an e-mail advert from the F1 Store at the official F1 website, Formula1.com. The subject line is "Winning is Everything." I'm sure many of you got the same one.

Quote
The new season is less than two weeks away; a new system to decide the world champion was approved by the FIA yesterday.  The world champion will be the driver who wins the most races in the season.  Winning is everything.

It then goes on, "To celebrate the arrival of the new winning mentality..."

Yeah.    Right.   Whatever. :-[

Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: Dare on March 19, 2009, 01:39:36 PM
New update on FIA ruling


Rule BR549 states that Championship will be decided by
most wins unless any driver other than a Ferrari driver
has most wins,then re revert back to the original
points system,unless ;)



remember BR549 Cos?
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: Scott on March 19, 2009, 02:51:24 PM
He's not making that too obvious, eh?  Already backing Massa when the rest of the world has absolutely no clue for this season.  Yeesh, he went and changed the rules for Massa too.

From F1 Live:

Just like one year ago, Bernie Ecclestone is placing his pre-season bet for the drivers' title on Felipe Massa.

Prior to the 2008 season, in which 27-year-old Massa won more races than any other driver and finished one point behind champion Lewis Hamilton, the F1 Chief Executive tipped the Brazilian for the title.

In an interview on Thursday with the Daily Express, Ecclestone said: "Red Bull could be a big surprise with Sebastian Vettel. Put him in a Ferrari and he'd be as quick as anyone they have got.”

"Brawn are going well too, but my money is going on Felipe Massa again. I don't see why he shouldn't get the job done. He was quick last year but Ferrari cost him the title with their mistakes," Ecclestone added.

He also thinks Massa's team-mate Kimi Raikkonen, who was off-colour last year after winning the 2007 title, could reclaim his form in 2009.

"If Kimi Raikkonen wins a couple of the first three races, you will see a different Kimi.”

"Lewis Hamilton, who has been a good world champion, is obviously going to be there if the McLaren improves but, if they miss out on the first few races, he has a mountain to climb," said Ecclestone.

Michael Schumacher on Thursday was also assessing the likely 2009 pecking order, having observed the two last tests of the winter at Barcelona and Jerez.

The seven time world champion believes his old team Ferrari will be in the fight, but he said ‘several teams’ also seem likely to challenge, including the new outfit run by his former Ferrari colleague Ross Brawn.

"Besides us there are Renault and Toyota, and BMW and Williams as well - on the other hand, after Barcelona you clearly have to say that Ross' team was outstanding.”

"They were a second (per lap) in front, and if they can take this into the season they are strong as well - even if probably the big teams will cut that advantage away with time. McLaren at the moment looks pretty bad," said Schumacher.
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: cosworth151 on March 19, 2009, 03:19:36 PM
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remember BR549 Cos?

Sure do, Dare! :D

In the real world, it was the number of the marine phone on Junior Samples's boat.

Back in the old pre-cell days!
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: Dare on March 19, 2009, 04:54:01 PM
It was also the phone number of his
used car lot :D
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: cosworth151 on March 19, 2009, 04:58:05 PM
I remember that. I didn't know if you knew where the number came from.

Do you think that we should admit watching Hee Haw in front of all these sophisticated folks? ;)
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: Dare on March 19, 2009, 05:27:43 PM
I remember that. I didn't know if you knew where the number came from.

Do you think that we should admit watching Hee Haw in front of all these sophisticated folks? ;)


Hee what?
Title: Re: Race wins will decide F1 Championship
Post by: Dare on March 19, 2009, 05:34:18 PM
I remember that. I didn't know if you knew where the number came from.

Do you think that we should admit watching Hee Haw in front of all these sophisticated folks? ;)


Hee what?


I'll fess up Cos


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDKyfJozHu4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDKyfJozHu4)


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