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Title: Toro Rosso budget is 'half' of Red Bull's
Post by: John S on June 24, 2009, 07:36:05 PM

This explains perhaps why the two Seb's are making little progress up the grid in the STR's. I think this is a perfect example of how cost capped teams would find life tough to develop cars throughout the season.

As the media contemplates the opposing fortunes of the two Red Bull teams, Toro Rosso's boss has revealed that the Faenza-based outfit operates with a budget about half that of Grand Prix-winning Red Bull Racing.

Asked by Switzerland's Blick to comment upon Toro Rosso's budget in comparison with the approximately 200m Euros spend of the parent team, Franz Tost answered: "Let's say it's half."

The contrast between the pair, who have moved further apart this year in readiness for next year's ban on customer cars, was never starker than at Silverstone, where Sebastian Vettel won while the similar-looking STR4s battled with the backmarkers. 
 
While Tost is for now holding off fitting a double diffuser because it will cost 500,000 Euros, Adrian Newey's British GP update for the RB5 amounted to about 2 million, another Swiss publication, Motorsport Aktuell, said.

Tost said his Faenza office receives all technical drawings from Newey's Red Bull Technology, but "first we need to know if they work (on the) Red Bull."

An initial double diffuser will be fitted to the STR4 in Hungary, while Red Bull Racing race ahead with the third generation of the rear aerodynamic concept.

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Title: Re: Toro Rosso budget is 'half' of Red Bull's
Post by: cosworth151 on June 25, 2009, 01:45:53 PM
I can't help but think that the biggest cause for the disparity between RBR and STR isn't that RBR has a much better car. They have a much better Sebastian.  ;)
Title: Re: Toro Rosso budget is 'half' of Red Bull's
Post by: Jericoke on June 25, 2009, 03:02:53 PM
I have to say that I'm a little surprised Red Bull was allowed to continue to have two teams when F1 is actually turning away applications.

It just strikes me as a little against the spirit of the sport when you are setting up one team to win and one team to lose.  Of course, it's an odd argument, seeing as STR had a better season last year than RBR
Title: Re: Toro Rosso budget is 'half' of Red Bull's
Post by: david1275 on June 25, 2009, 09:58:40 PM
I have to say that I'm a little surprised Red Bull was allowed to continue to have two teams when F1 is actually turning away applications.

It just strikes me as a little against the spirit of the sport when you are setting up one team to win and one team to lose.  Of course, it's an odd argument, seeing as STR had a better season last year than RBR

I have to agree with you here Jeri. I think a team who were out to try to win rather than being designed to be a runner up would be better for the sport. Give Lola or Prodrive a chance.
Title: Re: Toro Rosso budget is 'half' of Red Bull's
Post by: cosworth151 on June 25, 2009, 10:02:04 PM
There has always been on again / off again talk that STR would be sold. I'd like to see the old Minardi live on under independent ownership.
Title: Re: Toro Rosso budget is 'half' of Red Bull's
Post by: John S on June 25, 2009, 10:22:34 PM
I think STR can be bought, but no one is prepared to pay the asking price. Dieter has invested a great deal of money, albeit much less than in RBR, and to expect him to sell the STR team off cheap is unreasonable.

New entrants can now get a team up and running far cheaper than was possible when Red Bull bought into the old Minardi team with the blessing, and possibly encouragement, of the FIA and FOM. Would anyone of us take a hit of the sort of sum Red Bull will lose if they are forced to unload STR at any price?
Title: Re: Toro Rosso budget is 'half' of Red Bull's
Post by: Jericoke on June 26, 2009, 01:06:36 AM
I think STR can be bought, but no one is prepared to pay the asking price. Dieter has invested a great deal of money, albeit much less than in RBR, and to expect him to sell the STR team off cheap is unreasonable.

New entrants can now get a team up and running far cheaper than was possible when Red Bull bought into the old Minardi team with the blessing, and possibly encouragement, of the FIA and FOM. Would anyone of us take a hit of the sort of sum Red Bull will lose if they are forced to unload STR at any price?

It would be hard to attract new money to the sport if the FIA were to screw Dieter over like that.  He certainly did step up when F1 needed him.

Maybe he can run the FIA ;-)

If the new teams are successful, that will certainly raise the value of STR, and it will be easier to find a fair solution.
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