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Author Topic: 2017 tires  (Read 3266 times)

Offline J.Clark

2017 tires
« on: August 02, 2016, 02:19:03 PM »
PIRELLI’S 2017 TIRES MAKE THEIR DEBUT ON TRACK
 
FIRST TEST WITH SCUDERIA FERRARI: SEBASTIAN VETTEL TESTS AT FIORANO

THE WIDER WET TIRES FOR NEXT SEASON
 
 
Fiorano, August 1, 2016 – The testing program with the new wider Pirelli P Zero Formula 1 tires for 2017 begins today at Fiorano in Italy. Sebastian Vettel takes the wheel of a Ferrari SF15-T that has been specifically modified to simulate the new aero rules and to accommodate tires in 2017 size. The four-time world champion will test all day before handing the car over to Haas F1 driver Esteban Gutierrez on Tuesday 2 August.
 
THE PROGRAM. Following a few installation laps on slick tires in the morning, Vettel will then try wide Pirelli intermediate and full wet tires on an artificially dampened surface. With a tread that is 25% wider than the current size; particular care is required when it comes to research and development of wet weather tires, which are capable of evacuating even more water. The development work on both intermediate and full wet tires will be continued by Gutierrez on Tuesday.
 
DIMENSIONS. The 2017 rules impose the following dimensions for slick tires:
                    305/670-13 at the front (currently 245/660-13)
                    405/670-13 at the rear (currently 325/660-13)

The Cinturato intermediate will have a diameter of 675 mm while the Cinturato wet will have a diameter of 680 mm.
 
The wheel size remains unchanged at 13 inches.
 
SLICK TIRE TESTING. Red Bull will be the first team to try the 2017 size slick Formula 1 tires. This dry weather test will take place on 3-4 August at Mugello in Italy, and it will mark the final test before the summer break. The development program will begin again in September, when Mercedes (the third Team providing a modified car for testing purposes) will take to the track at Paul Ricard in France.
 
PROGRAM. Each of the three Teams taking part (Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull) will undertake a total of eight days of testing per car between now and the end of November. Each Team will have exactly the same amount of testing as each other for wet and intermediate tires (two days) as well as slick tires (six days). The final day of testing for all three Teams will be in Abu Dhabi on Tuesday 29 November, two days after the final grand prix of the 2016 season.
 
CALENDAR BY DATE
TEST ON MULE CARS – 2017 SIZES
Session
Date
Test Days
Circuit
Car (s)
Tires kind
1
Aug 1-2
2
Fiorano
FER
Wet
2
Aug 3-4
2
Mugello
RBR
Slick
3
Sep 6-7
2
Barcelona
FER
Slick
4
Sep 6-7-8
3
Paul Ricard
MGP
Slick
5
Sep 21-22
2
Paul Ricard
MGP
Wet
6
Oct 12-13
2
Barcelona
MGP
Slick
7
Oct 14-15-16
3
Abu Dhabi
RBR
Slick
8
Nov 2-3
2
Abu Dhabi
RBR
Wet
9
Nov 14-15-16
3
Abu Dhabi
FER
Slick
10
Nov 29
3
Abu Dhabi
MGP
FER
RBR
Final valid
 
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Offline Steve A.

Re: 2017 tires
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2016, 10:06:36 AM »
Looking forward to the new tyres and aero for next year. I really hope no one team does a better job than the rest.

Offline J.Clark

Re: 2017 tires
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2016, 10:28:43 PM »
PIRELLI SHOWS THE ENTIRE RANGE OF WIDE 2017 TIRES IN ABU DHABI
 
 NEW TREAD PATTERNS REVEALED FOR INTERMEDIATE AND WET
 
POSITIVE RESULTS OBTAINED FROM THE 2017 TEST PROGRAM, WHICH
WILL CONCLUDE ON TUESDAY AFTER THE ABU DHABI GRAND PRIX
 
AVERAGE LAP TIMES ARE EXPECTED TO BE FASTER BY THREE
SECONDS OR MORE NEXT YEAR
 
 
Abu Dhabi, November 25, 2016 – The entire range of new P Zero tires in wider 2017 size is being presented in the Yas Marina paddock at the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, together with a first look at the new tread pattern for the Cinturato intermediate and wet tires.
 
NEW SIZES. The front tire has grown wider by 60mm, going from 245 to 305mm. The rear tire grows by 80mm, from 325 to 405mm. As a result, the 2017 tires are around 25% wider than the current tires. This applies to the intermediate and full wet tires as well as the slicks.

The new 2017 slick tire measurements are:
•  305/670-13 at the front
•  405/670-13 at the back

The Cinturato intermediate tires will have a diameter of 675mm, while the Cinturato full wet tires will have a diameter of 680mm.

The rim size remains unchanged at 13-inch.
 
TESTING. Thanks to a change in FIA sporting regulations, development of the new 2017 tires has taken place over 10 sessions, making a combined total of 24 cumulative days of running. The test programme using individual mule cars began in early August, with the latest test concluding last week at Abu Dhabi with Ferrari. On the Tuesday after the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix (November 29) the three mule cars from Ferrari, Mercedes and Red Bull will all be seen on track together for the first time.
 
MULE CARS. The three teams have each provided a modified 2015 car that has been adapted according to specific technical directives from the FIA in order to simulate next year’s regulations, with more downforce, a wider track and wider tires. Each car has so far completed seven days of running (as detailed in the test calendar) with the work equally split on slick tires in all the different compounds as well as intermediate and wet tires.
 
The November 29 test day at Abu Dhabi will be the eighth day of running for each of the three teams, making up a cumulative total of 24 days that completes this year’s development program agreed by the teams, the FIA and Pirelli.
 
PROGRAM. A total of five circuits have hosted the development program, as per the details below:
 
MULE CAR TESTS – 2017 SIZES
Session
Date
Test days
Circuit
Car (s)
Type of tire
Drivers
1
Aug 1-2
2
Fiorano
FER
Wet
Vettel/Gutierrez
2
Aug 3-4
2
Mugello
RBR
Slick
Buemi
3
Sep 6-7
2
Barcelona
FER
Slick
Raikkonen/Vettel
4
Sep 6-7-8
3
Paul Ricard
MGP
Slick
Wehrlein
5
Sep 21-22
2
Paul Ricard
MGP
Wet
Wehrlein
6
Oct 12-13
2
Barcelona
MGP
Slick
Rosberg
7
Oct 14-15-16
3
Abu Dhabi
RBR
Slick
Gasly
8
Nov 2-3
2
Abu Dhabi
RBR
Wet
Gasly
9
Nov 15-16-17
3
Abu Dhabi
FER
Slick
Vettel/Fuoco
10
Nov 29
3
Abu Dhabi
ALL 3 TEAMS
Slick
 
 
RESULTS TO DATE. Pirelli is satisfied with the results obtained to date, despite the obvious difficulties that the teams have faced in modifying their 2015 cars in order to exactly simulate the performance expected next year.
 
While they have delivered an increase in downforce compared to current cars, the mule cars are still some way from the real performance of the 2017 cars, which will influence the way that the compounds behave in particular. A number of these compounds, designed with a new philosophy and new materials, have already begun to meet the targeted objectives: lower degradation and greater resistance to overheating, allowing them to consistently maintain an optimal level of grip. But all these results will be validated at the start of next year in representative conditions. One complication comes from the fact that some European tests have been run in cold conditions and rain, limiting the relevance of these tests.
 
Development will in any case continue throughout 2017 to deliver the improvements that have been requested, based on data obtained during races, and supply a further evolved product in 2018.
 
All this has been discussed and agreed with the teams, with whom Pirelli is already working to define a new test plan for next season.
 
Paul Hembery, Pirelli motorsport director: “I’d like to thank all the teams that have allowed us to develop our new wider tires for 2017, using their mule cars. We’ve made huge steps forward since trying the new tires out for the first time at the beginning of August and we’re pleased by the results obtained with the majority of the specifications. We know however that the work is just beginning. The aerodynamic progress made by next year’s cars will lower lap times by around five seconds compared to 2015, and about three seconds compared to this year. The new cars that will take to the track for the first time in February will have a downforce increase of more than 20 per cent: much more than we have seen with the mule cars. And that progress will continue throughout the whole of next season. So the next phase of our development, aimed at 2018 when the cars will be faster still, already begins in February.”
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Offline ChrisCurtis

Re: 2017 tires
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2017, 04:17:02 PM »
I recently saw an article where Pirelli expressed their concern that the mule cars are not generating sufficient speed and downforce to give their 2017 tyres meaningful testing and data collection.

Is this ringing alarm bells for you guys too? Are Pirelli giving us a preemptive warning in preparation for a "told you so" later in the season when the teams are telling us they can't unleash their  1000+ bhp because the tyres won't holding up?

The tyres could easily be the biggest risk and weakest link to better racing right now.

Online cosworth151

Re: 2017 tires
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2017, 07:48:17 PM »
I wondered about that with the new car specs for this season. Things could get interesting at Melbourne. Bahrain is the 3rd race.

Here's a quick vid about the tires.

https://www.formula1.com/en/championship/inside-f1/rules-regs/2017-season-changes.html
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Offline Jericoke

Re: 2017 tires
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2017, 08:25:38 PM »
I recently saw an article where Pirelli expressed their concern that the mule cars are not generating sufficient speed and downforce to give their 2017 tyres meaningful testing and data collection.

Is this ringing alarm bells for you guys too? Are Pirelli giving us a preemptive warning in preparation for a "told you so" later in the season when the teams are telling us they can't unleash their  1000+ bhp because the tyres won't holding up?

The tyres could easily be the biggest risk and weakest link to better racing right now.

Didn't Bridgestone purchase the Toyota cars so they could test F1 tires on an F1 car?

Surely the FIA could arrange Pirelli to have access to a 'standard' car so they can test on their own.

Offline John S

Re: 2017 tires
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2017, 08:57:11 PM »

Surely the FIA could arrange Pirelli to have access to a 'standard' car so they can test on their own.

But the main point of F1 Jeri is there are no standard cars - they're all highly individual.  :D

I know what you mean though; unfortunately there are no chassis that all the big teams will agree for Pirelli to run that will be representative of what the new spec is going to unleash upon the tyres.

The only cars that most teams would agree to are backmarkers like Manor or Sauber - there's just too much suspicion amongst the already paranoid teams that Pirelli's design would favour RBR, Ferrari or Merc etc. if they were to get one as a mule. 
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