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Author Topic: USA  (Read 1248 times)

Offline Dare

USA
« on: November 07, 2024, 10:01:52 PM »
Any thoughts on the USA Presidential Election. I like hearing
whay people from others countries think


Mark Twain once opined, "it's easier to con someone than to convince them they've been conned."

"When a rich man robs a poor man, it is called business. When a poor man fights back, it's called violence."
Mark Twain

Offline Jericoke

Re: USA
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2024, 01:14:04 PM »
I have many thoughts about the president elect, none of them are good.  Similarly the party that champions his cause.

On the level of civil discussion, the president elect has isolationist policies, which has massive effects on their largest trading partner (i.e., Canada) in terms of economics and immigration. 

Canadian health regulation often depends on research conducted by American agencies (basically if the FDA, CDC etc. says something is good we'll still do our own tests, but it's a lot easier to be able to copy off someone else), so with the abolishment of health regulations, it will make our own health approval processes slower and more cumbersome.  (I assume we'll work closer with EU and British regulators, so maybe that's an upgrade?)

Lastly, the Trumpism/Nationalism brand of politics spreads, and we have politicians in Canada doing their best to imitate Trump.  They haven't gained traction federally, yet, but during the next election they're poised for victory.  Provincially we have a man named Doug Ford (yes, he is the brother of notorious crack head mayor of Toronto Rob Ford) as premier.  He has used a lot of Trumpian tactics to amass power/wealth for his friends and supporters at the cost of basic democratic norms, not to mention dismantling the very programs that would help people in the same position of his late brother, both in terms of addiction services, and medical intervention (Rob Ford died of cancer, which Doug Ford seems to think is okay to let that happen to people)

Offline John S

Re: USA
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2024, 01:56:44 PM »
Dare as far as I can see Trump won the popular vote in what is recognised as a democratic system, though some may disagree, and as such he will have a chance to take the US in whichever direction he & the 2 legislative bodies choose.

Do I have fears about what he may do? - Well no more than I have fears about our own change of government in Britain. Personally I don't like either Trump, or our new Prime Minister Starmer.
However I trust that the institutions around government established over generations are harder to break down massively in the short term, meaning not a lot can really be changed for us plebs.

Sure taxes may rise or fall and we may be better or worse off in our pocket, but materially big change requires longer in office than one term.

Perhaps Trump's stated agenda of cutting military aid to overseas countries or causes may tip the balance of conflicts one way or the other, can't see it being much worse than the mess some parts of the world are already in.

On the subject of illegal immigration we are wrestling with our own increasing problems as are most developed countries, in the western world anyway.

My biggest criticism of Trump and US Republicans in general is the dreadful anti female laws around abortion.
I and many others thought this matter was settled in favour of Women having choice over their own fertility in the late 20th century, yet we find over your side of the pond preference is to go back to the 19th century - what the hell is happening? 


Racing is Life - everything else is just....waiting. (Steve McQueen)

Offline cosworth151

Re: USA
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2024, 03:32:41 PM »
The general opinion around here is that there will be a "Reichstag fire" type event in mid 2026 that will quickly result in a declaration of marshal law and an "indefinite postponement" of the 2026 mid term elections.

When they lowered that National voting age from 21 to 18 starting in 1972, I was in the 1st group of 18 year olds to vote in a National election. Now I fear that I may have just voted in the last U.S. National election.

Also, the area gun shops are doing a tremendous business.
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
― Bob Dylan

Offline Jericoke

Re: USA
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2024, 06:35:44 PM »
The general opinion around here is that there will be a "Reichstag fire" type event in mid 2026 that will quickly result in a declaration of marshal law and an "indefinite postponement" of the 2026 mid term elections.

When they lowered that National voting age from 21 to 18 starting in 1972, I was in the 1st group of 18 year olds to vote in a National election. Now I fear that I may have just voted in the last U.S. National election.

Also, the area gun shops are doing a tremendous business.

In the past I'd agree that there would be a Reichstag Fire style pretense, but with control of the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of government under the same sphere of control, there isn't really a need.  Project 2025 already outlines how the executive branch can take control of elections, making them more or less meaningless (Section 29 'Federal Election Commission'). 

(Even if the president elect is denying Project 2025 being a guiding principle, plenty of members of his coalition are quite bullish about it)

Offline Dare

Re: USA
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2024, 09:39:09 PM »
In the old America immigrants came here wanting a better life and were willing
to work for it. Now it not enter legally and milk the system for all they can get.























All I can say about trump and the people that voted for him is be careful what you wish for. I hope I'm wrong but were in for a rocky future



Mark Twain once opined, "it's easier to con someone than to convince them they've been conned."

"When a rich man robs a poor man, it is called business. When a poor man fights back, it's called violence."
Mark Twain

 


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