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Author Topic: Italy 2022 Heroes and Zeroes  (Read 1284 times)

Offline Jericoke

Italy 2022 Heroes and Zeroes
« on: September 11, 2022, 08:29:22 PM »
Heroes

Max winning on a Sunday drive.  I think he's giving credit to the idea of an inverted grid.  Clearly the 'good' drivers/teams can carve through the weaker competition.

Ferrari/LeClerc/Sainz.  Hey, they all finished the race without too much drama.  Was a win really in the mix?  I don't think so.  LeClerc's pole provided an almost cruel amount of hope for the Tifosi.

Nyck De Vries.  A fantastic first race on short notice.  Being able to drive 2 different F1 cars on the same weekend, and then score points in a car that is not expected to get points, absolutely fantastic.  I guess the future of F1 is Dutch?

Zeroes

I'm not sure who gets the zero, but letting Perez race with burning brakes seems like a bad idea.  I'm glad nothing went wrong, and Perez did relatively well by the end, but I feel like the driver/team/stewards were playing with... well... taking a big risk by letting him race.

Latifi.  He's my hometown boy, I want to love him, but he's had his chance, clearly he's not able to compete at an F1 level.  Williams might not be the best car out there, but it's clearly better than Latifi makes it look.

Over all, I feel there weren't a lot of heroes/zeroes.  Most cars performed as expected, the race had stuff going on, but no real tension.



Offline Willy

Re: Italy 2022 Heroes and Zeroes
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2022, 08:50:40 PM »
Nice to see some teams displaying something on the cars about the passing of HRM Queen Elizabeth II.

I am not a Max guy but he did do a good job carving thru the field to take a win.

De Vries certainly showed everyone he deserves a seat with his 1st F1 drive and getting points for it was well. Well done. Will we soon see more orange flares clouding the air?
As Jeri mentioned so well, apparently the Williams is not as much of a nag as we all thought.

Lewis made a fine showing from a rear position start. He said he expected to just work on his race craft and was not expecting much today.

Ferarri had all the tools and huge fan support but was not able to get the win.

Not sure what was going on with Perez's brake burning issue but was surprised he was told to adjust the bias and keep going. The potential for major failure seemed imminent but he managed to finish. 

Latifi has hit his best before date. I did enjoy seeing two Canadian drivers on the grid but he is just not up to the challenge it seems. 

Offline Dare

Re: Italy 2022 Heroes and Zeroes
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2022, 08:53:37 PM »
Maybe F1 needs a rule like other series that the race can't
end under a yellow or SC
Mark Twain once opined, "it's easier to con someone than to convince them they've been conned."

Offline Andy B

Re: Italy 2022 Heroes and Zeroes
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2022, 09:44:53 PM »
Maybe F1 needs a rule like other series that the race can't
end under a yellow or SC

They tried that and look at the mess it was!
The race cannot be extended due to fuel.
Maybe
If a safety car is called within ten laps of the finish then close the pits so no fresh tyres, leave the back markers where they are and once the track is green let em go.
It saves time, keeps everyone on an equal footing and the race continues as if there had been no safety car.
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Offline Dare

Re: Italy 2022 Heroes and Zeroes
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2022, 10:36:38 PM »
I forgot about the fuel. Maybe red flag with no working on cars
or changing tires
Mark Twain once opined, "it's easier to con someone than to convince them they've been conned."

Offline Andy B

Re: Italy 2022 Heroes and Zeroes
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2022, 04:10:36 AM »
I forgot about the fuel. Maybe red flag with no working on cars
or changing tires

If the track is not blocked keep em running then they cannot tweak the cars.
There's been instances in the past where red flags have allowed cars to be repair for safety reasons and they have then won the race.
If repairs need to be made for safety reasons then they go to the back of the grid if they didn't stop the car before a red flag its not an issue!
Once you have retired every day is a Saturday!

Offline rmassart

Re: Italy 2022 Heroes and Zeroes
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2022, 05:53:00 AM »
I feel if safety car needs to be called in the last 10 laps or so, based on track length, so maybe last 15% of the race, red flag the race, let them do whatever they want in the pits (tires, wings, what have you - within any existing regulations) and restart the race. I realise this negates the previous 85% of the race, which has effectively been turned into an extended sprint race, but for me it's the only fair thing to do. It puts everyone on the same footing. At the moment these safety cars simply favour the ones on the correct place on the track to be able to pull into the pits in time and disadvantage those who just pitted. But this is not strategy, its pure luck.  Might as well go to the casino. Maybe that's why they put Las Vegas on the map?

If this had been done in Abu Dhabi, at least we would have seen some proper racing for the last few laps (isn't that what Masi wanted), not Max breezing passed Lewis practically waving at him with one hand...

Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Italy 2022 Heroes and Zeroes
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2022, 09:37:47 PM »
I like Andy's idea. Let them carry a little extra fuel, if they run out of gas tough. I think this may be the one thing NASCAR has gotten right in recent years.
Lonny

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Re: Italy 2022 Heroes and Zeroes
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2022, 03:51:53 PM »
Heroes:-

Max and Red Bull for having Ferrari covered all race and for working on race set up instead of balls out Quali pace. No points for Pole, only bragging rights.  :D

George for once again being Mr consistency, did best he could with car to get on podium.
Lewis too had good race, loved the smart double overtake, looks like the old boy's still got the special touch.

Danny Ric, for once he had the measure of Lando in a actual race. Think he was hampered by pe arranged team strategy. Can see why they split strategies, however as Daniel was below Lando on grid he was handed Medium/hard. My only complaint is why wasn't that soft/Hard as he clearly had to stop early to make hards viable. A probable points finish taken by mystery engine cut out.

Nick DeVries, very good race for rookie.  :good: To a great extent he was helped by the DRS train & Williams straight line speed, but he had to keep focus and was that high up grid because of great Quali performance.

Zeros:-

Alpine, what the hell went wrong? They were on the back foot all w/e when pundits were claiming Alonso might get podium due to all grid drops for others.  :-[

Haas, about the same as Alpine, they never really had any pace the whole w/e yet that's a Ferrari PU in the back. I reckon Dallara build so many F2 & F3 cars they clearly can't see past aero required on straight ICE engine powered lower formula cars.   :D

FIA, for making final grid list into a Bermuda triangle mystery.  :crazy: C'mon guys with modern computing and the correct software that list should have been issued 5 to 10 mins after Quali ended.  ::)
« Last Edit: September 13, 2022, 03:55:06 PM by John S »
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Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: Italy 2022 Heroes and Zeroes
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2022, 11:14:14 PM »
Hard for me to look past the FIA breaking Article 55.13 again and spoil a race (apparently just because they could). There were 2 laps available to take the safety car off the track (if the unlapping was not to occur, for which no formal announcement was made). The choices available at the end of lap 50 were to release the cars or to start the unlapping. The FIA chose to do neither, which breaches Article 55.13.

Take a wild guess when the last time that happened was...

(I don't think the winner would have changed, but there would have been a race and some midfielders very well might have changed positions).
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Re: Italy 2022 Heroes and Zeroes
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2022, 10:23:01 AM »

(I don't think the winner would have changed, but there would have been a race and some midfielders very well might have changed positions).

Some midfield positions did change because they pitted under S/C for a final dash that never came.   :swoon:
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Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: Italy 2022 Heroes and Zeroes
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2022, 06:08:13 PM »

(I don't think the winner would have changed, but there would have been a race and some midfielders very well might have changed positions).

Some midfield positions did change because they pitted under S/C for a final dash that never came.   :swoon:

This makes it even worse :(
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