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McLaren view of Stewards U turn
« on: April 02, 2009, 07:21:46 PM »
Q & A with Martin Whitmarsh from Autosport.com

The interesting part for me is the statement that Lewis did not slow down to let Trulli pass, I've put it in bold about halfway through the post. Just what is going on? :DntKnw:

Q. But the indication in the ruling is that Lewis [Hamilton] lied to the stewards. What do you say to that?

MW: I don't think there is any indication of that. There is no suggestion that Lewis lied to the stewards.

Q. The FIA statement said ‘deliberate' though. What did they mean by that?

MW: I don't know what they meant by it, you will have to ask them. But from what I understand there was a belief that the team was not explicit enough in terms of the content of the radio conversations. We don't believe that those radio conversations had a material effect on the fact that he was passed by Trulli under the safety car, but they clearly feel that despite that information, which was listened to by Race Control who was present, that the team did not give enough information about that radio conversation. I don't think there is any implication that Lewis lied, or such a statement is contained in what they said or what they believe.

Q. But the ruling says that Lewis provided evidence that was ‘deliberately misleading.'

MW: What they believe is that... the information about that radio conversation with the team was withheld, and that is what they believe was misleading.

Q. But it sounds like what Trulli said about the incident was very different from how Lewis presented it to the stewards?

MW: No, I don't think it is. There is no dispute about how Lewis overtook Trulli. Trulli was off the circuit and that was quite legitimate. With regard to then how Trulli then took [Lewis], I believe it was still considered by the stewards to not have been legitimate. What the stewards were concerned about was that there had been, and was, a conversation going on between the team and Lewis, and the feeling is that the team was not explicit enough about it.

Q. But the FIA deems it is a grave breach of sporting conduct, and has already indicated that this could go to the World Motor Sport Council, where further sanctions could be taken against McLaren…

MW: Well, you've got more information about that than me. I think the problem that the stewards have, is that they believe the team were not explicit enough in releasing that information. We do not think that it affected the outcome and the decisions, but that was their opinion.

Q. Do you believe the stewards have been right in what they have done? Have they been fair?

MW: I believe it was a harsh decision. I think the facts of the case are that Lewis made a legitimate pass and subsequently was re-passed. At the time the team asked several times to Race Control if it could re-pass and at the time, understandably, Race Control was too busy to be able to answer that question. So, we felt that the decision of the stewards in the immediate aftermath of the race was fair. But the stewards now believe that the radio conversation, which occurred and was listened to by the FIA, because in their opinion that was not explicitly made in the submission that the team made, that we withheld that. And therefore they came to this decision today.

Q. Would you agree it is a bleak day for McLaren, in the wake of Spygate a few years ago and the biggest ever fine?

MW: I think it is a regrettable day, and the fact is, the belief is, that we were not explicit. But I don't believe that that information would have made any difference to the decisions and the deliberations at the time. It certainly was not a deliberate attempt. It is quite clear that the radio conversations are listened to by the FIA, they are open, and the FIA was present during that hearing. So in the opinion of the team representative, there was a belief that it was known and there had been a conversation with the FIA.

Q. But they have reopened a case that was already closed, so something showed that the new evidence was something you had not given them?

MW: I think there has been a range of media speculation and therefore it was right to just look and see if there was any information that they didn't have. I don't believe there was any information that they didn't have – but they believed the team was not explicit enough in providing that information.

Q. Lewis after the race only spoke about getting past Trulli, but never mentioned stopping and giving the place back…

MW: He didn't stop, and the telemetry data which was shown to the stewards today showed that the lap on which he was overtaken was no different from the succeeding lap that was under the safety car. It was difficult conditions but there was no evidence from the data that Lewis did anything that induced Trulli to go past.

Q. How has Lewis taken this, as this is the start of his title defence?

MW: Well, as you would imagine, Lewis is extremely disappointed with it.

Q. Do you accept the decision?

MW: I think it is a harsh decision but I think experience has told us that you have to accept these decisions and these things that come along, and you have to build on your focus for this weekend and the races beyond that. There is no point dwelling on it.

Q. But isn't the whole point about the moment that Trulli passed Hamilton, rather than the radio conversations?

MW: I don't believe that there is anything in the statement, or there has been anything from the stewards, that indicated that they were lied to.

Q. But they said you were ‘deliberately misleading'..

MW: What I believe is that the stewards are saying, is that the information was not provided to them. And that information was about the radio conversation between the team and Lewis, and they feel the team could have been more explicit about that than it was.

Q. But do you really feel that, given the strong wording of the statement?

MW: I do believe that, because I believe that to be the case. There was no lie in that hearing. We, the team, made a mistake. We did not provide a full account of a radio conversation which we believe was being listened to in any case, and we don't believe was material to the decisions being made by the stewards.

Q. But did you not give them that conversation deliberately?

MW: I wasn't party to the actual meeting, but as you can imagine in those situations, you focus on the points that you believe are relevant. And the team, in the opinion of the stewards, was mistaken in not providing all the information. I think the people who were there, representing the team, supposed the conversations were known about because our radio conversations are open to the FIA in any case.

Q. In interviews after the race, Lewis said he was told by the team to let Trulli pass. The indications from this hearing are that he said something completely different?

MW: I think what Lewis told the media afterwards was that he had been asked by the team to let the driver through.

Q. And then told the stewards something completely different?


MW: I don't believe he did. All of the content of the conversation between the team and Lewis was not fully and explicitly shared with the stewards.

Q. So he was economical with the truth then?

MW: He answered the questions that were put to him in an honest manner, but the team should have provided, according to the stewards, a fuller account of what happened.

Q. Did you let Lewis down in that way then?

MW: We are a team and we are disappointed about this. I am sure when you look back on it we could have dealt with it in a different way. I think the radio conversation was not something that the team sought to conceal – it is with the FIA in any case and the people who were there felt the FIA was aware of that conversation. With hindsight it would have been better to have very explicitly gone through that conversation. The people who were there did not do that.

Q. So you believe you are Lewis have been honest?

MW: I believe the team and Lewis are completely honest in how we go about F1.


« Last Edit: April 02, 2009, 07:26:04 PM by John S »


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Offline Scott

Re: McLaren view of Stewards U turn
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2009, 08:32:20 PM »
Ok, I am not disputing the question of what Lewis and Trulli for that matter should have done.  It's a bit harsh to pull over because the guy in front of you goes off track or stops to let you by just because it's a SC period.  That is not the problem now though. 

As I see it, in the stewards investigation after the race, they were trying to figure out whether or not to penalize Trulli for overtaking Lewis during the safety car.  Period.  Lewis apparently gave a different answer to the stewards than he gave the media an hour earlier.  Call it what you will, but I would call it BS, or as Jericoke put it, deliberately unhelpful.

The entire interview with MW was a large pile of BS.  He avoided pretty much all the questions, so if that is how the Team Principal behaves, it is not too surprising that it trickles down into the rest of the team. 
« Last Edit: April 03, 2009, 06:28:39 AM by ScottyD »
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Re: McLaren view of Stewards U turn
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2009, 07:18:37 AM »
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Re: McLaren view of Stewards U turn
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2009, 07:49:58 AM »
-------------------------As I see it, in the stewards investigation after the race, they were trying to figure out whether or not to penalize Trulli for overtaking Lewis during the safety car.  Period.  Lewis apparently gave a different answer to the stewards than he gave the media an hour earlier.  Call it what you will, but I would call it BS, or as Jericoke put it, deliberately unhelpful.

The entire interview with MW was a large pile of BS.  He avoided pretty much all the questions, so if that is how the Team Principal behaves, it is not too surprising that it trickles down into the rest of the team. 

exactly Scotty - talk about an exercise in semantics and "spin".

why can't these people just say they made a MISTAKE in judgement and the FIA did not buy their clever bullshit?
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Offline Dare

Re: McLaren view of Stewards U turn
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2009, 08:32:53 PM »
after reviewing John's post for a 2nd
time it appears Martin Whitmarsh lied
as well.

What is needed is a new set of rules
where the 25 second rule is used for
only the harshest offences.A simple
lose of finishing spots would surfice
in most cases
Mark Twain once opined, "it's easier to con someone than to convince them they've been conned."

Offline johnbull

Re: McLaren view of Stewards U turn
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2009, 09:33:32 PM »
I don't intend going into who did what, why, where, and when - or with whom for that matter.

What is bugging me is the bloody attitude of the FIA and their determination to screw races up at the slightest provocation:
Toyotas sent to the pit lane because of a wing infringement.
Vettell penalised for doing his job ....... driving hard.
Trulli Penalised ........ again for doing his job.
Hamilton penalised ........penalty far outweighs the crime.
Trulli reinstated ........ for now.
Another case pending with both Brawns, both Williams and both Toyotas, so Trulli could be penalised again.

What a load of rubbish.  Bernie wants to sell F1 to the public. The FIA do everything they can to paint a bad picture.

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