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http://news.sky.com/story/1188157/michael-schumacher-hurt-in-skiing-accident
Not much info at the moment, but it's apparently a head injury :'(
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The Daily News says it's "relatively serious” and that he was wearing a helmet at the time.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/michael-schumacher-injured-skiing-accident-report-article-1.1560668
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another news saying the injury is not
very serious.
http://www.auto123.com/en/racing-news/michael-schumacher-in-hospital-after-skiing-accident?artid=163115&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=racing
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I hope he comes back from it without any residual damage of disability.
Get well soon Micheal, you may have retired, but love is still there for you
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This don't sound good.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25545993
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Another source saying "critical" http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/29/sport/motorsport/michael-schumacher-skiing-f1-motorsport/
let's hope he's okay :( :( :(
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It sounds similar what happened to Natasha Richardson,
I pray it has a better outcome.
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Absolutely terrible news. Get well soon Michael.
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Well grim, hopefully he'll pull through and recover.
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Well, Schumacher was always the master of giving all he had to give when it counted most.
That should pull him through where mere mortals might not.
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some thoughts
http://www.planetf1.com/editorial/9094126/Schumi-Short-Term-Thoughts
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Sure doesn't look good but here's hoping for the best.
Phil
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I've been following this from the moment I heard about this terrible accident. If anyone can pull through this its Michael.
Praying for a speedy recovery.
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Scary...I've worn a ski helmet for the last 12 years, every time I ski. I can't say it has saved me from an injury other than perhaps whacking my head on a bar as I get on a chairlift, and once from a low hanging branch, but if I ever do hit a tree or rock full on with my head, I'm sure my chances of survival are at least a few times better than if I didn't wear one. But there are enough freak accidents in skiing for all of us who take part in it to know that it is an inherently dangerous sport, so we should respect the conditions and our abilities. Natasha Richardson and even Sonny Bono were both celebrities to have died from the same thing, though Bono was an expert skier and Richardson a beginner. Schumacher was a good skier, but after seeing him ski a couple of times in videos, I would say he was also an extremely fast skier, and like anything that goes fast, it's the sudden stops that do the most damage. I pray he's ok, and am horrified that his son, the same age as mine, was skiing with him at the time and had to witness it (though perhaps he had a part in getting help to Michael so quickly).
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Report says he was probably going at around 60mph and without his helmet he would be dead. That's a lot of speed to hit a rock head first.
That's why I always wear my cycle helmet, my son might smirk, but I'd rather the helmet hit the road than my head.
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Report says he was probably going at around 60mph and without his helmet he would be dead. That's a lot of speed to hit a rock head first.
That's why I always wear my cycle helmet, my son might smirk, but I'd rather the helmet hit the road than my head.
The silver lining here is that ski helmet technology will probably improve quite quickly. Schumacher always had the best protection when he was in an F1 car, and now I'm sure he'll have it when he hits the slopes again
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The Snell Foundation already has standards for skiing & snowboarding helmets.
The Snell Foundation was set up in the late 50's-early 60's. It is named for Harry Snell, a sports car racer who died back then as a result of a faulty helmet. They are a non-profit that rate helmet safety. Originally just for racing, they now rate helmets for cycling, equestrian events and other activities.
I bring this up because I always check for a Snell sticker in any helmet I buy, be it racing, motorcycle, bicycle or snowboard. That way I know the helmet will do its job.
http://www.smf.org/stds
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Micheal was not fast at all :swoon: :swoon: :swoon:
http://grandprix247.com/2014/01/01/more-info-emerges-on-circumstances-of-schumacher-ski-accident/
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Seems journalists change their tune as much as polititians.
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Yeah, now the story is that he was going quite slow, but was on a slope that was a minefield of rocks. Two operations now. Hope he recovers.
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Totally disgusting, these people(?) have no respect at all.
http://www.news.nom.co/journalist-dressed-up-as-a-priest-in-7630912-news/
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Being sort of a Lewis fan, I find it difficult why this picture denotes him as "Insensitive", "Arrogant". Can somebody explain please
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/lewis-hamilton-causes-uproar-among-f1-fans-after-posting-skiing-holiday-pictures-in-the-wake-of-michael-schumachers-accident-9032990.html
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Being sort of a Lewis fan, I find it difficult why this picture denotes him as "Insensitive", "Arrogant". Can somebody explain please
Didn't you realise that when a celebrity has an accident the rule is that everyone else has to stop doing, talking about or acknowledging even the existence of, the circumstance of said accident! Obviously everyone stopped rallying when Robert Kubica crashed, none of the other F1 drivers rode their pushbikes when Webber broke his leg, etc.
Ludicrous! :crazy:
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Everyone knows my opinion of Schumacher the F1 driver but I should put on record that I am with the great majority in wishing him a full and speedy recovery. It was obviously just one of the those bizare accidents that can happen to anyone.
He is incredibly fit and and his family have the resources to ensure he gets the very best treatment; so fingers crossed.
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Being sort of a Lewis fan, I find it difficult why this picture denotes him as "Insensitive", "Arrogant". Can somebody explain please
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/lewis-hamilton-causes-uproar-among-f1-fans-after-posting-skiing-holiday-pictures-in-the-wake-of-michael-schumachers-accident-9032990.html
That's nuts. Those pictures show Hamilton on snow shoes and cross country skis...essentially those sports are like walking or jogging.
Alpine skiing is basically a controlled fall down a mountain.
What is insensitive is any fan or journalist who could possibly link these pictures to Schumachers situation. |-( |-(
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Monty, you didn't need to put that on record, we all know your opinion of Schumi, but we also know that you wouldn't wish injury or worse on him.
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Being sort of a Lewis fan, I find it difficult why this picture denotes him as "Insensitive", "Arrogant". Can somebody explain please
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/lewis-hamilton-causes-uproar-among-f1-fans-after-posting-skiing-holiday-pictures-in-the-wake-of-michael-schumachers-accident-9032990.html
That's nuts. Those pictures show Hamilton on snow shoes and cross country skis...essentially those sports are like walking or jogging.
Alpine skiing is basically a controlled fall down a mountain.
What is insensitive is any fan or journalist who could possibly link these pictures to Schumachers situation. |-( |-(
Indeed. If anything, this shows that Lewis was taking time to have fun in the snow that DIDN'T involve hurtling at rocks.
It's simply not possible to get going fast enough to hurt yourself in snow shoes. (If you've never gone snow shoeing, I recommend it. Especially if you can go with people who have never been, and you enjoy laughing at them with them)
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Fans are holding a silent vigil outside of the hospital in honor of Schumi's 45th birthday.
http://world.time.com/2014/01/03/michael-schumacher-turns-45-in-a-coma/
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I wonder what the prognosis for this type
of injury usually is?Maybe BD might know
a little on this.
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Good point - be interested to know if BD can shed more light on it.
From what I've read it varies wildly. Some people make an almost full recovery, some never wake up. Many have life-changing disabilities affecting movement, speech and general brain function. One report posits that he has approximately a 33% chance of a relatively normal life - eventually. Could be months before the extent of the damage is really known.
Our knowledge of how the brain works has come on leaps and bounds in recent years, but we still can't predict how brain lesions will manifest themselves for a recently injured person. Day-to-day monitoring and cross your fingers.
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I wonder what the prognosis for this type
of injury usually is?Maybe BD might know
a little on this.
I am letting the specialist former F1 Doctor to explain things. If anyone have further questions I will try my best to explain
http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com
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Very interesting blog, nice one BD. I'll be following him from now on. :good:
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Being sort of a Lewis fan, I find it difficult why this picture denotes him as "Insensitive", "Arrogant". Can somebody explain please
In the words of the Beatles, all I can add to that oh so stupid news report is "Ob-la-di Ob-la-da". :D
The media should get real, leading your normal life is the correct response to most everything in life. >:( - Unless your Kim Jong- Un of course. ;)
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Good post BD, helps us laymen and women maybe understand a bit better. :good:
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I think the only thing we do know, is that we don't know anything.
A ex-army doctor friend tells me that the press releases may as well just say that 'Michael has had a very severe bang on the head'.
It seems that any blunt force trauma would cause lesions and contusions and that every patient would/could react differently. In his opinion it is a bad thing that Michael started off as walking wounded and then deteriorated. He feels that this would mean that important first actions did not take place until much later than optimum.
The good news is that he has seen people in induced comas for many weeks go on to make full recoveries. He also points out that even if brain damage has occurred it does not mean that the damage will be debilitating - it will depend on the severity and location of the damage. I think we all know that there is no point in trying to guess the situation. It will be a waiting game and he is in the hands of the gods.
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I think David Coulthard sums it up pretty well, " I want Micheal to get recover to see how much love do people have for him."
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French investigators are commenting on their investigation of the camera Michael had on and have said that he was clearly off a marked run, and they are unsure why he was there since it was so clearly marked.
As a skier, I have to point out that most of us don't actually ski on the runs, but often prefer 'off-piste' skiing, which is in untracked (preferably) or un-prepared snow. If I couldn't ski untracked snow, I probably wouldn't ski. Carpet skiing is what we call skiing on nicely groomed and marked slopes because it feels like you are skiing on carpet - no challenge, no fun.
Sounds more like they are trying to remove blame from the resort operator - they should have no blame anyhow. Skiing, like most sports, can be dangerous, but the only way to remove the danger is to remove the fun, and then the resorts would be empty.
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A update on Michael's condition.I'm starting to
fear the outcome here.All we can do is keep him
and his family in our prayers.
The seven-time Formula One champion Michael Schumacher is in an induced coma in intensive care at the University Hospital of Grenoble after hitting his head on a rock in a crash in the resort of Meribel in the French Alps
Michael Schumacher skiing in the northern Italian resort of Madonna Di Campiglio in January 2005 Photo: REUTERS/Pool/Ercole Colombo
Henry Samuel By Henry Samuel, Paris7:24PM GMT 13 Jan 2014
French doctors have begun brain tests on Michael Schumacher to see which areas have been damaged, it was reported on Monday.
The seven-time world racing champion has been in an artificially induced coma for 15 days after he struck a rock while skiing off-piste in the resort of Meribel.
He has had an operation to remove a small part of his skull in a bid to relieve pressure on his brain, according to a Zurich paper at the weekend.
Frédéric Rossi, a Swiss neurosurgeon, told the Zurich Tagesanzeiger that the risks of such an operation ranged from swelling to bleeding to the accidental opening of the brain’s outer membrane.
Meanwhile, Bild, the German daily, said that it has obtained information from among the medical team treating him in Grenoble that suggest there are still great fears of “unexpected complications,” such as a brain haemorrhage and infection.
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“Doctors want to see which parts of the brain were damaged and which parts are still functioning,” a hospital source is cited as saying. “We don’t know when more official information will be given but it could take weeks, even months,” they are cited as saying.
Mr Schumacher, 44, was out skiing with friends and his 14-year-old son Mick on December 29 when the accident occurred.
He had to be helicoptered to hospital and has been fighting for his life ever since.
His wife Corinna and his two children have been at his bedside ever since.
Friends from the world of motor racing and show business have also paid visits.
Investigators probing the accident last week ruled out faulty skis, inadequate signage and excessive speed as possible causes of his life-threatening fall.
Speaking after his initial operation, Jean-François Payen, his anaesthetist, said: ’We judge him to be in a very serious situation. We cannot predict the future for Michael Schumacher.
Surgeons, he added, had operated urgently to try to eliminate haematoma (internal bleeding).
“After the operation we saw that we had been able to eliminate these haematoma but also sadly the appearance of various bilateral lesions.
“So therefore he was taken to intensive care to try to help.” Meanwhile, Jean Alesi criticised another former F1 driver, Philippe Streiff, for divulging information about Schumacher’s condition to the media recently.
Mr Streiff visited the hospital in Grenoble and controversially revealed afterwards that Schumacher’s “life is not in danger any more”.
“I was very disappointed and upset to see the French driver who did a press conference talking about Michael Schumacher,” fellow Frenchman Alesi told RMC Sport.
“We must respect his family and leave them alone, and especially the doctors (should be left) to do their work,” he added.
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Yeah, this might be a case of no news is bad news. I'm still hoping for the best. :(
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Nothing has been updated here on Michael's condition
and I ran across this with former F1 Doctor Gary Harstein
in some of the comments.I started not to post it but decided
to anyway to give some insight for those concerned.I hope
for a positive outcome and still have MS in my prayers
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/sport/9642007/Schumacher-unlikely-to-regain-all-faculties
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That's really frightening speculation. I would agree that perhaps we won't see the same Schumacher as before, but I think Dr. Hartstein is explaining the worst case scenario, not what is likely. :( :(
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Like yourself and Dare Scott, I sincerely hope the worst case scenario does not happen and that Michael recovers.
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According to Autosport, they have begun a slow 'waking' procedure on Michael to bring him out of his induced coma.
Hope it works out well.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112355
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Hoping for the best
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According to the news on the radio, Michael is responding positively to doctors, lets hope that it continues.
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Amen to that Ian. :good:
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the injury explained
http://thebrainbank.scienceblog.com/2014/01/30/michael-schumachers-traumatic-brain-injury-explained/
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Brain injuries are very unpredictable. Gaby Giffords was shot just above her left eye, the bullet travelling along the inside of her skull and exiting out the back. Why it just didn't blow the back of her head off I don't know. Obviously, she suffered severe trauma, extreme blood loss and heavy swelling of the brain. Yet just days after, she was able to answer simple questions by squeezing a finger, once for yes, twice for no. She has been rehabbing ever since and while it is apparent she will never fully recover, her progress has been little short of miraculous. She walks unsupported with a slight limp, can speak in clear coherent sentences, (though slowly) but has little use of her right arm. She says it's very hard and frustrating because she knows what she wants to say but the words don't readily come to her. She is one tough hombre, but so is Michael, so I am hopeful.
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I'm encouraged that Schumacher is making some slow progress. Let's all keep our fingers crossed for him.
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I really hope this is sensationalized, otherwise its bleak future for my beloved driver :(
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/schumacher-not-responding-to-stimuli-report/
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Wow, that's not good, is it. :(
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My understanding was that the any information would only be provided by Schumacher's Manager (hospital staff have been threatened with immediate sanctions if they talk to the press). As this information is coming from a daily rag and not through the proper channels I hope it is just scurrilous gossip.
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This is not a case of 'no news is good news' - quite the opposite. Doesn't look good.
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I agree, considering they started to try to bring him out of the coma a couple of weeks ago and there is still no positive report (even if we dismiss the negative ones), I wouldn't be very optimistic.
The tragedy is not for Schumacher himself. It is his family. They have lived for most of two decades of him being away most of the time, racing in a dangerous sport. To finally have him retire and throw his energy and time into his family, then only months later have him taken from them so suddenly and unbelievably, must be the most devastating part. I feel the most sympathy for his wife and children at this moment.
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I agree, considering they started to try to bring him out of the coma a couple of weeks ago and there is still no positive report (even if we dismiss the negative ones), I wouldn't be very optimistic.
The tragedy is not for Schumacher himself. It is his family. They have lived for most of two decades of him being away most of the time, racing in a dangerous sport. To finally have him retire and throw his energy and time into his family, then only months later have him taken from them so suddenly and unbelievably, must be the most devastating part. I feel the most sympathy for his wife and children at this moment.
Exactly my thought Scotty. They have waited so long to finally have him among them, and just after few month, in a family vacation, in a freak accident he is struggling between life and death.
But the only hope for me is that, it takes a long time to respond to stimuli after such an incident, so I will not be jumping to conclusion after 2 weeks. Compare to many cases 2 weeks is nothing
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I continue to pray for his recovery and that his family be helped to deal with things.
He is not responding to deliberate stimulus, which does not necessary mean much, but it is disheartening and has to be tough for Corinna. Now it seems he has a lung infection on top of the other problems.
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Now it seems he has a lung infection on top of the other problems.
That is seriously grave, because its an infection acquired in ICU setting, it is very difficult to treat this notorious thing. This is the last thing I wanted to hear :'(
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Certainly is not good, I have a bad feeling about this, but I hope against hope that I'm wrong.
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Certainly is not good, I have a bad feeling about this, but I hope against hope that I'm wrong.
Me too Ian.No positive updates troubles me.We can
always hope in a miracle and a good outcome.
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On World News Bild has reported it as pneumonia.
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Schumacher's manager has dismissed it as speculation. That is a relief for the time being, but I am skeptical about it, because it is very common among the patients of Schumacher's nature.
http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/9162689/Kehm-dismisses-latest-rumours
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Massa recently paid Michael a visit and his comments
made me think Michael is in worse shape than I feared.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/michael-schumacher-felipe-massa-reveals-schumacher-gave-reactions-with-his-mouth-in-a-recent-visit-to-his-bedside-9144904.html
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/28/sports/autoracing/two-months-after-michael-schumachers-ski-accident-hopes-for-his-recovery-dim.html?_r=0
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The news doesn't get any better does it Dare.
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Micheal is showing signs of consciousness, though for few moments, but surely this is VERY good news. I will again seek the help Former F1 Doc who has this magical ability to make difficult medical term to a completely palatable to everyone, to explain what this means, how big and important is this :yahoo: :yahoo:
http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/moments-of-conscious-and-awakening/
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Things are looking slightly better for Schumi, fingers crossed it's gonna get even better.
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It signifies that he is out of danger, not entirely but surely the chance of worse things happening has reduced significantly. It also provides a base from which different sort of treatment to work on him can begin with. So its massive, believe me Ian it feels like Christmas for me :yahoo: :yahoo:
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Wouldn't it be great to see Michael walk onto the podium to present the trophies BD. :yahoo:
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Wouldn't it be great to see Michael walk onto the podium to present the trophies BD. :yahoo:
That will be memorable for not only for us the fans, but also for the drivers who will be receiving as well as being interviewed by the great
:good: :good:
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While this is good news I think Michael has
a long rough road to climb.Best wishes
to him and his family.
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The statement from Sabine Kehm reads, “Michael is making progress on his way. He shows moments of consciousness and awakening. We are on his side during his long and difficult fight, together with the team of the hospital in Grenoble, and we keep remaining confident."
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20140404/f1/140409943#ixzz2y1J0PDld
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I haven't read all the posts in this thread, so apologies if this has already been mentioned.
For those of you in the UK, you'll know that Richard Hammond from 'Top Gear' had a serious accident several years ago and suffered really bad head injuries resulting in him being in a coma for quite a long time. I believe that the last rites were given and he wasn't expected to pull through initially.
He did though - and he is now back to presenting the programme and although he still admits that he is a different man following his accident, he still seems to us, the general public to be as good as he ever was, with very little if any discernible difference in his persona.
Fingers crossed for Michael - every injury is different as is every recovery, however this still gives me a feeling for optimism and hope.
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I was hoping there would be a bit more of a change in Hammond after his accident but it appears he did indeed recover to be the same narcissistic, sycophantic, annoying little man that he always was. There - apologies if this offends anyone but I can't stand him. Given the huge popularity of Top Gear in the UK this is probably an unpopular post. Oh well never mind.
Main difference with Schumi of course is that Hammond was in a coma for two weeks. I hope Schumi pulls through but I'll be amazed if he ever achieves anything like a normal life after such a long coma - here's hoping I'm proved wrong.
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I haven't read all the posts in this thread, so apologies if this has already been mentioned.
For those of you in the UK, you'll know that Richard Hammond from 'Top Gear' had a serious accident several years ago and suffered really bad head injuries resulting in him being in a coma for quite a long time. I believe that the last rites were given and he wasn't expected to pull through initially.
He did though - and he is now back to presenting the programme and although he still admits that he is a different man following his accident, he still seems to us, the general public to be as good as he ever was, with very little if any discernible difference in his persona.
Fingers crossed for Michael - every injury is different as is every recovery, however this still gives me a feeling for optimism and hope.
That would be lovely if Micheal could recover that well, we all are hoping and praying for that to happen.